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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
For example, Champion.gg lists Nunu as ranked dead last (#47) in jungle win rate with 45%: http://champion.gg/champion/Nunu/Jungle While OP.GG lists Nunu as ranked #7 in jungle win rate with 52%: http://na.op.gg/champion/nunu/statistics/jungle I understand that if they're harvesting different data there might be some small discrepancies in the overall results, but this is too big of a difference to attribute to just different samples. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
non americans know nunu is garbage | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On June 20 2016 06:20 Slayer91 wrote: cause its NA data vs kr+eu+na data non americans know nunu is garbage That's even more hilaroius. 52% in NA, 47% in KR, and 46% in EUW. You could make an interesting League site based off of regional champ winrate differences. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
The 1500 games with Nunu across all regions is literally 10% of the total games with Kindred in just NA. The sample size is quite low. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Seems plenty valuable to me if your team already has engage somewhere else. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 20 2016 12:01 Goumindong wrote: He can get tanky, deny the enemy jungle farm, and apply AS buffs/debuffs still right? Seems plenty valuable to me if your team already has engage somewhere else. The most popular ADCs don't get as much from Bloodboil, or lose as much from snowball as in most metas. Also his ability to deny farm is much lower now than any time in the past because most the other popular junglers now have very fast clears, and he needs to auto several times to clear big monsters so he can't just walk up> Snowball> Consume > walk away. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Your adc has an item and a half advantage you win every fight straight up. Pantheon is one of the winningest top lanes in the game right now while literally every other popular top laner in the game is shit that beats him in lane that I wouldn't have picked him into in the past. And yet he is still strong as hell because he auto wins bot lane and enables an ADC main to carry with item advantages. Irelia? Darius? Swain? Maokai? get me the fuck out of here I don't want to be against these champions. <_< Magically he loses lane wins game against all these champs by winning bot lane. ADCs are real good and in a great spot right now. They don't 1v5 or 1v1 well, but they have a ridiculously huge effect on the game. It is real hard to win with a behind adc. Hell, tank supports are much better than ranged supports for most of the game, but ranged support's win lane and largely most teams all over the world pick ranged supports. At 20 minutes if I have a choice between a godly thresh and a godly nami I take the thresh every time. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 20 2016 07:22 GrandInquisitor wrote: That's even more hilaroius. 52% in NA, 47% in KR, and 46% in EUW. You could make an interesting League site based off of regional champ winrate differences. Sounds like na doesn't go to the disco as much. Pretty sure thresh isn't a melee champ but feel free to correct me if I am wrong. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Alot of things work for competitive and every lane has potential to carry if needed. I think Pantheon can maybe snowball pre 6, but as soon as Darius gets a phage/post 6 it shouldn't even be close. You'll just get run down from then on. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On June 20 2016 12:07 cLutZ wrote: The most popular ADCs don't get as much from Bloodboil, or lose as much from snowball as in most metas. Also his ability to deny farm is much lower now than any time in the past because most the other popular junglers now have very fast clears, and he needs to auto several times to clear big monsters so he can't just walk up> Snowball> Consume > walk away. He's definitely quite niche. You need a good teamcomp for him - his raison d'être is making your ADC huge through his obnoxious peel and big attack speed steroid. But it doesn't work if a) your ADC is Ezreal, or b) their divers are Malphite/Zac/etc. Ideally he's playing with a Vayne while against a Trundle / Shyvana / etc. He is still great at controlling neutral objectives, but the whole counterjungling thing has been cut back a bit since his glory days when you could take all the big monsters and leave the other jungler struggling to hit level 2. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On June 20 2016 15:38 iCanada wrote: I think a lot of people underestimate how hard adcs carry. Your adc has an item and a half advantage you win every fight straight up. Pantheon is one of the winningest top lanes in the game right now while literally every other popular top laner in the game is shit that beats him in lane that I wouldn't have picked him into in the past. And yet he is still strong as hell because he auto wins bot lane and enables an ADC main to carry with item advantages. Irelia? Darius? Swain? Maokai? get me the fuck out of here I don't want to be against these champions. <_< Magically he loses lane wins game against all these champs by winning bot lane. ADCs are real good and in a great spot right now. They don't 1v5 or 1v1 well, but they have a ridiculously huge effect on the game. It is real hard to win with a behind adc. Hell, tank supports are much better than ranged supports for most of the game, but ranged support's win lane and largely most teams all over the world pick ranged supports. At 20 minutes if I have a choice between a godly thresh and a godly nami I take the thresh every time. mate you just get one shot with adc if your team isn't protecting nunu doesn't exactly provide useful peel for someone who's going to jump past your ult range and one shot adc | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 21 2016 02:32 Slayer91 wrote: mate you just get one shot with adc if your team isn't protecting nunu doesn't exactly provide useful peel for someone who's going to jump past your ult range and one shot adc Who said anything about Nunu being good? I was just being an edgelord re the range support shit [G2-8 and all], and am just tired of people saying ADC's suck because they are really really good and are often what wins the game, in my experience. Tbh I have no comment or real idea how good Nunu is. I havn't even seen one in a game in like 3 months. On June 20 2016 21:50 Alaric wrote: Wasn't Pantheon said to beat Darius? I'm pretty sure Neo and Loci said that before. Or maybe he's got too much sustain/base armour since the rework? Matchup is way better now than before. Now Pantheon can snowball on Darius early, but if Pantheon doesn't snowball get away from him or he'll kill you. His base damages now aren't as ridiculous and his slow isn't as absurd, and they cut his base stats quite a bit. Certainly a much more manageable matchup now. You could probably dick him pretty hard with some jungler love to get you going. Release Darius just kind of dicked all over Pantheon in that Darius hard killed Panth in all in's, and Pantheon couldn't just not fight Darius because at some point you would get pulled and auto-W'd then you can't run away and you're dead as shit. You had to somehow spear the minions to farm, harrass him so that he didn't want to fight, all while staying outside of Darius' 550 Apprehend range... even just spearing minions, if Darius wanted you he could get you. Even if you QWQE'd a Darius that EQ cancel>autoW'd you lost the trade by quite a bit in terms of both HP and mana. If he didn't kill you pre-level 9, and you somehow were able to farm, Pantheon did alright against Darius, I guess. Honestly, I think I'd lose to a Darius in those days who was a full league and a half below my skill level. Maybe when you a god like Loci and everyone is a league and a half below your skill level it was okay. Literally I can't think of a single laning level where old Darius didn't just win fights. I actually stopped playing Pantheon because of how oppressive that Matchup was. So did Smash, if I recall correctly. I think that is when he started to do the Nunu top shit. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
http://www.op.gg/champion/taliyah/statistics/mid http://na.op.gg/champion/taliyah/statistics/mid http://euw.op.gg/champion/taliyah/statistics/mid Looking at the mid matchups on Korean OP.GG.... Only lanes she doesn't completely take behind the wood shed pre-6 is Fizz, Zed, and Anivia (which I never though of, but makes sense. If she using threaded volley it is pretty easy to know where to shoot the ice ball... wherever you running to.). Everyone else she just bodies till they get ultimate. Looking at the CS vs gold graphs too, it kind of looks like she wins those lanes too, but them assassins just out roaming her pre-6. Look them curves, I told you guys; She is old AP Sion, not Twisted Fate. Highest winrate in the game pre-30 minutes, falls off hard. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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