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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
September 03 2015 23:39 GMT
#181
I just ban what I don't like playing against at the moment or just pick stuff randomly.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 23:52:46
September 03 2015 23:51 GMT
#182
On September 04 2015 08:37 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 07:54 killerdog wrote:
On September 04 2015 07:22 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On September 04 2015 07:13 killerdog wrote:
And i'm sorry, you're right I was joking. Janna has literally zero unique play patterns, strengths or weaknesses you can learn, if she's in the game you just arbitrarily have 5% less chance of winning completely unrelated to how you play the game -.-

I mean you literally said Riven has no counterplay. You put words in my mouth and strawman me about Janna, but I am literally quoting you: "Losing to janna is something you can outplay, she's stronger then other supports, but there's counterplay etc, you just have to play slightly better/differently. Losing because of a carrying or feeding riven there's nothing you can do."

If you have such issues with Riven that you think there's "nothing you can do" against her, you are just banning Riven too much and need to learn to play against her. See what I just did there?

And don't give me this elitism MMR shit. For starters, champion.gg is Plat+. Second, the gap between Janna and Riven is only bigger at Diamond and Master. This in fact suggests that Riven is more deserving of a ban than Janna only at Bronze to Gold. I bet you aren't Bronze to Gold, right? (See what I did there? Insinuate that I'm right because you're just low elo? Although I'm not the one who wrote there's "nothing you can do" in the face of a carrying or feeding Riven ...)

Do I really need to explain how champions like riven and rengar can snowball harder then other champions, like janna...

If you want an example check out gross gores stream right now, enemy kog is 8-1 but can't do anything at all because gross gore is getting hard carried by his rengar. There aren't many champions that can shut the entire map like that from level 6.

If you won't listen to anything else i'll put it in terms of statistics. Banning champions like rengar reduce variance in the rng of soloq, If you think you actually deserve to win games then that should be a good thing.


It doesn't matter how hard they snowball. It only matters if they win the game. '

A Soloqueue game is a Bernoulli random variable. It has an expected value of p = the probability of winning and a variance of (1-p)p Snowballing? Doesn't matter, doesn't effect the variance. Only the effect of the champion on the win rate affects the variance. Win rates which are closer to 0 or 1 will reduce variance.[I.E. very high win rate or very low win rate champions].

edit: So in a way yes, banning riven reduces variance. But that isn't reducing variance in a way you want if they're picking stronger champions as a result of it.

That's true if you have 10 random players in a game, with no extra knowledge. But I'm in the lobby and that adds a ton of other variables which your "model" doesn't account for.

For example, I play tf mid, and am much better on tf then most other champions. If I pick tf I have say a 55-60% chance of being able to carry the early and mid game and snowball that into a win. However there are a few champions that tf is really weak against. In this case, if i'm in position to get to pick tf, my chances of winning are dramatically increased by banning those champions.

This isn't cocky dunning kruger "i'm better then them" statistics, this is the fact i'm a bit of a one trick pony, my tf is better then my mmr, and my other champions are worse, so if i get tf i'm very likely to be a much stronger force in the game then the average player, which increases the value of counters for tf that the other team might pick.

Same with nafta, if he gets a good role and team then he's in his optimal position, so his influence on the game is likely to be above average for his champion, and when he's on an offrole the inverse is true. Therefore banning someone like rengar, who shuts down his role in particular and puts the onus to carry on the other lanes, which might not be playing their optimal champions/roles, reduces his chances of victory more then having a slightly higher general % champion on the other team.

You can't crunch raw numbers on "10 typical players" and then transpose that into a lobby where you have more information on at least one of the players, (and maybe depending on how your teammates communicate.)
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
September 04 2015 00:13 GMT
#183
I used to ban Zed so no one on my team would pick him. Another part of the ban phase is also banning things that make your teammates feel better. For instance, LeBlanc used to be banned all the time, but also had a low winrate in all elos. Sure, a good LeBlanc will snowball the game, but odds are her team will lose. So there was really no point to banning her out. But because your team felt she was strong and wants it banned something it's better just to ban it for their sake.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 04 2015 00:21 GMT
#184
LLBads Ranked 5 is being streamed by me and Yamato. Go watch =P
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 04 2015 00:46 GMT
#185
No link?
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
September 04 2015 01:03 GMT
#186
i was like "why do you need a link, should be easy to see on the sidebar," but then i looked and there are like 100 streamers there now.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 04 2015 01:49 GMT
#187
It's on LLBads
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 02:11:11
September 04 2015 02:06 GMT
#188
From my POV (Vi jungle and Nasus top):

Game 1: http://www.twitch.tv/10b5/v/14320404
Game 2: http://www.twitch.tv/10b5/v/14320555
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
September 04 2015 02:13 GMT
#189
My view is that soloq banning is mostly about removing things that inhibit you personally and maintaining team morale. Banning something strong but not readily acknowledged as such (like Janna) isn't that effective because you're only moderately less likely to have that champion on your team if you leave it up and your teammate may not have a problem playing against it anyway. However by targeting things that shut down what you're planning on playing or you have trouble with generally you greatly increase your chances of having a strong impact on the game (guaranteeing your team an advantage they wouldn't have otherwise). A generic ban may not do that for another player.

Likewise I've seen too many games go to shit in champ select because "they got Kat gg, y no ban?" starts the bickering before a creep has even been killed. I know here we love data and if this game was played by automatons blindly using it would be the superior strategy. Banning Riven keeps the peace in a way that a Janna ban does not.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 02:46:12
September 04 2015 02:45 GMT
#190
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
September 04 2015 02:48 GMT
#191
The important question is, is it r/lol's fault or not?
XDG Mata
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 04 2015 03:02 GMT
#192
On September 04 2015 11:48 Caiada wrote:
The important question is, is it r/lol's fault or not?


His Facebook post suggests that it has an impact.

The way I see it, it played a role but the way RL uses his Twitter to bash people is probably the nail on the coffin.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 04 2015 03:03 GMT
#193
https://www.facebook.com/RichardLewisReports/posts/497074853750891

Greetings friends,
A few days ago I handed my notice of resignation into The Daily Dot and stated my intention to leave their editorial team. It’s not a decision I have taken lightly as my time with The Daily Dot has been incredible. I’ve got to work alongside some of the finest young journalists in our industry, as well as help play a part in their development. The work our section has put out is, in my opinion, unprecedented in the e-sports space.
A special thanks must go out to Kevin Morris who is hands down the best boss I’ve ever had. At my age it was great to work under someone that could still help me improve as a writer and a reporter. In addition he has been a great friend and has always supported me as well as my work.
As many of you who have followed my work will know I’ve wanted to make changes for some time but have always felt obligated to continue working because of the type of work I do. This past eighteen months though I have felt it quite acutely that I have been trapped into a cycle of misery. The process was always the same. Write, publish, listen to the denials from the subject and then try absorb the abuse from sections of the readership. I will miss the team but I won’t miss that awful sense of trepidation I would feel every time I submitted a piece to my editor.
The situation with the Reddit content ban has also been a factor. The Daily Dot stood by me but ultimately it had a huge impact on my work and working environment. I had to pass on important stories because there was a chance they may not be seen by the people who need to read them. Joint reports ran the risk of getting my fellow journalists tarred with the same brush. Important stories pertaining to League of Legends that I have written have gone unnoticed, something which only benefits the people in the wrong.
I definitely could have handled myself better when interacting with abusive people. It was a tough year, dealing with the suicide of my best friend, which took place while I attended an e-sports event. At that point the criticism I received felt like an even bigger slap in the face and holding back became increasingly difficult. No excuses but I’ve never claimed to be better than anyone else, nor have any desire to be held to a higher standard.
What the future will hold I can’t say right now. I am currently in America enjoying a working holiday and I am sure an opportunity will present itself. Until then I shall continue to put out my content for my Patreon supporters and try and enjoy a much needed break, for as long as it lasts.
Thanks to all the people who have supported me and my work, as well as The Daily Dot.
Richard
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 04 2015 03:12 GMT
#194
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.
Administrator@TL_Zess
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
September 04 2015 03:14 GMT
#195
A lot like Forgiven, he could've avoided so much shit with even a little bit more discretion in what the hell he was saying to people.

Can't say I'll miss him, but maybe he'll find that discretion in the future.
XDG Mata
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 04 2015 03:38 GMT
#196
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.

I think it's quite appropriate, given that it's Richard Lewis we're talking about. For example, note that Richard Lewis has been COMPLETELY SILENT as to whether he was fired for gross sexual misconduct.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 03:42:33
September 04 2015 03:39 GMT
#197
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.


That's a fair point, but people don't resign with no discernible future plans.

Also I think it's pretty clear that I was just stating my own interpretation of his writing instead of presenting it as fact.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 04 2015 03:47 GMT
#198
On September 04 2015 12:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.


That's a fair point, but people don't resign with no discernible future plans.

Also I think it's pretty clear that I was just stating my own interpretation of his writing instead of presenting it as fact.

Patreon, yo.

On September 04 2015 12:38 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.

I think it's quite appropriate, given that it's Richard Lewis we're talking about. For example, note that Richard Lewis has been COMPLETELY SILENT as to whether he was fired for gross sexual misconduct.

Literally what.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 04 2015 03:55 GMT
#199
On September 04 2015 12:47 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 12:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.


That's a fair point, but people don't resign with no discernible future plans.

Also I think it's pretty clear that I was just stating my own interpretation of his writing instead of presenting it as fact.

Patreon, yo.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 12:38 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.

I think it's quite appropriate, given that it's Richard Lewis we're talking about. For example, note that Richard Lewis has been COMPLETELY SILENT as to whether he was fired for gross sexual misconduct.

Literally what.


Patreon, sure. Good luck with that.

His youtube videos don't really have that many views and his audience is fairly narrow. Also I still haven't see First Blood coming back.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 04 2015 04:03 GMT
#200
On September 04 2015 12:47 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 12:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.


That's a fair point, but people don't resign with no discernible future plans.

Also I think it's pretty clear that I was just stating my own interpretation of his writing instead of presenting it as fact.

Patreon, yo.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 12:38 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On September 04 2015 12:12 Zess wrote:
On September 04 2015 11:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Hmm. It sounds like DailyDot let Richard Lewis go.

Not a terrible surprise but it was surprising of how long it took.

Why would you phrase it this way when he says that he resigned?

You might not be reading it at face value but at least leave it to others to make their own judgement free of your biases.

I think it's quite appropriate, given that it's Richard Lewis we're talking about. For example, note that Richard Lewis has been COMPLETELY SILENT as to whether he was fired for gross sexual misconduct.

Literally what.

GI thinks RLewis is a conspiracy theorist who accused riot and /r/lol of misconduct without sufficient evidence.

That said, he's been talking of leaving esports forever, even since before the drama, so probably he got some regular journalism job at one of the British papers.
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