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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 12 2015 19:57 GMT
#101
I have a feeling that pro teams might find a way to exploit Bard's kit in an organised team setting, but in solo Q the hero looks like a pile of hot garbage to me, even if you want to just roam 24/7 after level 2 Annie, Blitz and Thresh all dumpster him in gank potential

Like I know Riot says a lot of things but one thing that they have followed thru on is their hatred for heals, They say they hate heals, they've nerfed the shit out of heals time and time again. When I read the description of his W all I could think to myself is, they've intentionally made this spell suck dick because it's a heal.

idk I really don't like him.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 12 2015 20:01 GMT
#102
On March 13 2015 03:12 Ketara wrote:
So, some Ludens Echo notes.

The patch notes said 60+5 per level, but that's not what it's doing, it's 100+15% AP like it was on PBE.

The AOE has a pretty decent range, prioritizes champions, but other than that appears to be random. Doesn't seem to prioritize minions it will kill over minions it won't.

It procs on Lux passive, which I <3.


Seems pretty strong, although it's probably not for everybody.

Does it matter that it procs on her passive? Generally you'll be hitting the proc with the spells anyways.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 20:04:53
March 12 2015 20:04 GMT
#103
Yea it is fucking retarded how weak the heal is.Just comparing to nami's w(even gonna ignore that it jumps) it heals for 5 more after it fully stacks and the ability costs 30 mana more...
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
March 12 2015 20:07 GMT
#104
Bard is nothing special to be honest, he's fun but I won't play him anymore imo.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 12 2015 20:12 GMT
#105
Bard looks fun and his Portal and Ult are nice designs but he's just fucking weak, but maybe that's just the pessimist in me watching these first time bards and starting ancient coin (cringe)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 12 2015 20:20 GMT
#106
So Viridian Kayle recolor looks like something I did when I was 13 in the WC3 map editor to make "custom" units: lol
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 12 2015 20:23 GMT
#107
On March 13 2015 05:07 739 wrote:
Bard is nothing special to be honest, he's fun but I won't play him anymore imo.

People were also calling Kalista weak when she released.

1.5-2 weeks and we will see the true strengths of Bard.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
March 12 2015 20:25 GMT
#108
On March 13 2015 05:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:12 Ketara wrote:
So, some Ludens Echo notes.

The patch notes said 60+5 per level, but that's not what it's doing, it's 100+15% AP like it was on PBE.

The AOE has a pretty decent range, prioritizes champions, but other than that appears to be random. Doesn't seem to prioritize minions it will kill over minions it won't.

It procs on Lux passive, which I <3.


Seems pretty strong, although it's probably not for everybody.

Does it matter that it procs on her passive? Generally you'll be hitting the proc with the spells anyways.

But does her passive proc stack towards the items 100 active ability? Because if true Lux could potentially charge that item for two procs in a single spell rotation. #Broken
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 20:43:31
March 12 2015 20:27 GMT
#109
On March 13 2015 05:23 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 05:07 739 wrote:
Bard is nothing special to be honest, he's fun but I won't play him anymore imo.

People were also calling Kalista weak when she released.

1.5-2 weeks and we will see the true strengths of Bard.


source?

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/471599-patch-420-blaze-it-0oーーy?page=9

first 3 posts about Kalista in her the GD of her release refer to her as Broken. (first 2 posts being on page 1 and page 7)

The ONLY time Kalista was considered bad by TL was when her passive was bugged and attack speed items caused you to get stuck in place.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
March 12 2015 21:02 GMT
#110
who thought the champion with a 1 second cd flash would be weak

people who don't play any melee champions at all maybe
aka Teutonica
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 12 2015 21:06 GMT
#111
I think a Bard in the right hands could do very interesting plays. The Q alone makes tower dives a big nono, and I was surprised how long the range was.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 12 2015 21:08 GMT
#112
I think he has potential in organised play, but he is pretty much Veigar tier for solo Q
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 12 2015 21:16 GMT
#113
Tempted to get bard just to try him out, what seems to be the main issue? is he lacking damage potential in ganks? or what?
liftlift > tsm
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 21:20:55
March 12 2015 21:19 GMT
#114
tbh I think Bard's allies just need to learn when and how to utilize his portal, sort of like Thresh on his release; just less overtuned.

On March 13 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Tempted to get bard just to try him out, what seems to be the main issue? is he lacking damage potential in ganks? or what?

Unique kit which we dont know how to exploit to the fullest yet.
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Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
March 12 2015 21:22 GMT
#115
I just played against a Bard. That magical journey ability is so annoying. I'm not sure how the mechanic works. Do I just have to just be standing in the hitbox when the portal is made? Or do I have to click on the ground in front of the wall to teleport? I def went on some magical journeys I wasn't planning on.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
March 12 2015 21:23 GMT
#116
I think Bard's ult could do a lot. Promos mostly showed fancy stuff like tricks with the dragon. In practice though if you can drop it to catch 2 of the enemy team and none of your team then everyone else can just jump in and get a few moments of 5v3 action. That should be enough to swing a lot of fights. Still theory for me though. time will tell.
If he is losing like crazy in week two he will get buffed until he isn't losing. He's got to be strong enough to sell afterall
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 21:26:37
March 12 2015 21:24 GMT
#117
On March 13 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Tempted to get bard just to try him out, what seems to be the main issue? is he lacking damage potential in ganks? or what?


low damage output combined with unreliable stun do not make up for occasional free experence.

in a level 2 gank:

bard has, skillshot based cc with moderate damage + 1-3 enhanced auto attacks

Annie has, 2 damage spells combining for double damage of Bard (one is -5 at rank 1 the other is +5) as well as a point and click stun if you prep ( I don't know why you would gank w/o stun ready)

Blitz has 2 damage spells both with attached cc, one is unreliable but can be hit confirmed with the other.

Thresh, 2 damage spells, with attacked cc, similar to blitz you can hit confirm Q if you are willing to expend flash, AND enhanced auto attack nuke to boot.

you could probly even argue Janna here.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 12 2015 21:25 GMT
#118
On March 13 2015 06:23 General_Winter wrote:
I think Bard's ult could do a lot. Promos mostly showed fancy stuff like tricks with the dragon. In practice though if you can drop it to catch 2 of the enemy team and none of your team then everyone else can just jump in and get a few moments of 5v3 action. That should be enough to swing a lot of fights. Still theory for me though. time will tell.
If he is losing like crazy in week two he will get buffed until he isn't losing. He's got to be strong enough to sell afterall

I played a game with a Bard. That ult is the biggest cockblock ever. Lost so many fights because of it.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 12 2015 21:29 GMT
#119
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 12 2015 21:32 GMT
#120
On March 13 2015 06:23 General_Winter wrote:
I think Bard's ult could do a lot. Promos mostly showed fancy stuff like tricks with the dragon. In practice though if you can drop it to catch 2 of the enemy team and none of your team then everyone else can just jump in and get a few moments of 5v3 action. That should be enough to swing a lot of fights. Still theory for me though. time will tell.
If he is losing like crazy in week two he will get buffed until he isn't losing. He's got to be strong enough to sell afterall

Kalista's been kinda weak in soloqueue but she sold alright. They'll balance for arranged play.
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