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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 23 2015 18:54 GMT
#861
Some numbers buffs and removing e cast time could be enough to push him to decent but guess thats too hard to implement with the technology not being there and all.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 19:11:39
March 23 2015 19:10 GMT
#862
Point of a rework is not to buff but to make the kit easier for them to balance. If the kit becomes more fun to play with or against, that's a bonus.

I doubt they would remove the parrrley gold, bankplank, oranges and ulti they basically confirmed they wouldn't fuck with. E sucks, I'd be fine with anything else. That leaves the passive, and possibly parrrley mechanics. Rito do hate everything that isn't a skillshot.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 23 2015 19:24 GMT
#863
Oranges and the ult are probably more "iconic" points than the fact Parrrley gives gold on kill.
The passive, being a potential permaslow and what they call "invisible power" (it wrecks you at least as hard as Darius if you try to fight him during early levels) is typically what they dislike and find hard to balance.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 23 2015 19:28 GMT
#864
His kit is based on the passive, without it doing damage or slowing he has the worst gap close in the game and 1 damage skill.

That said riot appears to have no clue how bad veigar w is without his old e so anything can happen
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 23 2015 19:36 GMT
#865
If you Parrrley someone you slow them by 7%, how's that for an enhanced gapcloser? Also Darius has none, neither do Olaf or other champions.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 23 2015 19:38 GMT
#866
On March 24 2015 03:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bring back deny

Actually that'd make GP auto op in laneswap. Sounds glorious I support it.


Lol. Support gp emax with 40% cdr. Win the 22 by 50 creeps by default.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 23 2015 19:40 GMT
#867
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loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
March 23 2015 19:41 GMT
#868
Seems stupid, you should play 4 protect Ezreal. It's the best comp because Ezreal is the best lategame ADC.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 23 2015 19:48 GMT
#869
GP rework would almost certainly involve the Twisted Fate-ing of his ult range, making its damage more consistent, and changing the scaling on his ult to AD. W's healing would probably be reduced (they don't want CC removal and healing to be things you get in lane) along with some sort of change to his E to make it "feel better".
Freeeeeeedom
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 20:09:47
March 23 2015 20:05 GMT
#870
On March 24 2015 04:40 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 04:36 Alaric wrote:
If you Parrrley someone you slow them by 7%, how's that for an enhanced gapcloser? Also Darius has none, neither do Olaf or other champions.


olaf has axe on a short cd and darius has a pull.


In other news since we know the adc is the strongest and 5 > 1 wouldn't the strongest possible team comp be

top: Quinn
Mid: Ez
Jungle: twitch
ADC: varus
Support: ashe

You couldn't lose because while the other team has one maybe two adcs you have 5 dealing max damage!

*also ez has to be wearing nottingham skin so that everyone is shooting arrows which is also OP.


I actually played against this once last season.

Had a jungle Nautilus in the game, he built Sunfire Randuin Thornmail FH Tabi and nearly got a penta 1v5.

Probably the funniest thing in League I've ever seen.


I also think that it's interesting that you guys are not making the suggestion that Riot already made in regards to GP.

They said they were keeping his Q and W as is and changing his E to an entirely different ability.

GP E is dumb and is a lot of what makes him a dumb champion. It has no synergy with the rest of his kit.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 20:16:01
March 23 2015 20:15 GMT
#871
On March 24 2015 05:05 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 04:40 JimmiC wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:36 Alaric wrote:
If you Parrrley someone you slow them by 7%, how's that for an enhanced gapcloser? Also Darius has none, neither do Olaf or other champions.


olaf has axe on a short cd and darius has a pull.


In other news since we know the adc is the strongest and 5 > 1 wouldn't the strongest possible team comp be

top: Quinn
Mid: Ez
Jungle: twitch
ADC: varus
Support: ashe

You couldn't lose because while the other team has one maybe two adcs you have 5 dealing max damage!

*also ez has to be wearing nottingham skin so that everyone is shooting arrows which is also OP.


I actually played against this once last season.

Had a jungle Nautilus in the game, he built Sunfire Randuin Thornmail FH Tabi and nearly got a penta 1v5.

Probably the funniest thing in League I've ever seen.


I also think that it's interesting that you guys are not making the suggestion that Riot already made in regards to GP.

They said they were keeping his Q and W as is and changing his E to an entirely different ability.

GP E is dumb and is a lot of what makes him a dumb champion. It has no synergy with the rest of his kit.



the fuck? level 2 allin: E has no synergy with Q, this just in, ketara doesn't understand math.

how does bonus damage and movespeed not synergize with a crit Q and slowon hit. I'd love to hear you argue your way out of that.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 23 2015 20:15 GMT
#872
I saw a 5 ad comp run vs a kartus once. Ad comp was up like 10 kills and 6 towers and just hit a brick wall when karthus got farmed
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 23 2015 20:16 GMT
#873
Also i think gp is really fun to play as is. Not top tier, not tradh tier I'd prefer no rework based on potential for passive nerfs
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 20:41:15
March 23 2015 20:25 GMT
#874
Depends on what you call AD. 5 marksmen? If there's Kalista/Vayne/Quinn/etc. sure, but if it's Varus, Ashe, Corki, etc. stuff that can either prevent Karthus from getting in or which can kill him at range with poke, it's not the same story.

And yes, Nautilus gets ridiculously hard to kill once farmed because the shield buffs only made him go from 450 to 600 HP shields at level 16+ late game, but 450 every 10 seconds is still hard to get through when you've got 200+ armour.
I remember getting a triple like that paired with a Janna, because her shield would either let mine hold, or provide me with some more damage, even though I was oom. Don't think I dropped worse than from half to a third of my HP. Granted it was something like Renekton, Lulu and I can't remember the jungler (Lee?), but something low damage enough that I'd wear them down (Janna had a bunch of AP too so her shield let my autos hit hard).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 23 2015 20:32 GMT
#875
GP is still one of my favorite champs of all time, but I've also played against him and that sucks, so I do see where rito is coming from when they call him toxic.

On another note, I just got into Diamond for the first time in a legitimate season (been twice in preseason). Last game the entire enemy team afkd because someone trolled and went duo mid. That was some seriously anticlimactic shit.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 20:44:29
March 23 2015 20:40 GMT
#876
On March 24 2015 05:15 ItsFunToLose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 05:05 Ketara wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:40 JimmiC wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:36 Alaric wrote:
If you Parrrley someone you slow them by 7%, how's that for an enhanced gapcloser? Also Darius has none, neither do Olaf or other champions.


olaf has axe on a short cd and darius has a pull.


In other news since we know the adc is the strongest and 5 > 1 wouldn't the strongest possible team comp be

top: Quinn
Mid: Ez
Jungle: twitch
ADC: varus
Support: ashe

You couldn't lose because while the other team has one maybe two adcs you have 5 dealing max damage!

*also ez has to be wearing nottingham skin so that everyone is shooting arrows which is also OP.


I actually played against this once last season.

Had a jungle Nautilus in the game, he built Sunfire Randuin Thornmail FH Tabi and nearly got a penta 1v5.

Probably the funniest thing in League I've ever seen.


I also think that it's interesting that you guys are not making the suggestion that Riot already made in regards to GP.

They said they were keeping his Q and W as is and changing his E to an entirely different ability.

GP E is dumb and is a lot of what makes him a dumb champion. It has no synergy with the rest of his kit.



the fuck? level 2 allin: E has no synergy with Q, this just in, ketara doesn't understand math.

how does bonus damage and movespeed not synergize with a crit Q and slowon hit. I'd love to hear you argue your way out of that.


It has no synergy because it's an aoe team buff on a character who is designed to split push.

If it only gave a self buff and more stats it'd make sense, but then it'd probably be boring and antifun or hard to balance or blah blah basically this is the reason why it is going to get removed for an entirely different skill.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 23 2015 20:42 GMT
#877
You realise that dropping a non-interruptible Nunu ult exactly where you want is a strong initiation and disengage tool as well, right? It won't stop a Glory if you don't have MS buffs or a Talisman, but it's still fairly effective.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 21:22:03
March 23 2015 21:21 GMT
#878
On March 24 2015 05:40 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 05:15 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On March 24 2015 05:05 Ketara wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:40 JimmiC wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:36 Alaric wrote:
If you Parrrley someone you slow them by 7%, how's that for an enhanced gapcloser? Also Darius has none, neither do Olaf or other champions.


olaf has axe on a short cd and darius has a pull.


In other news since we know the adc is the strongest and 5 > 1 wouldn't the strongest possible team comp be

top: Quinn
Mid: Ez
Jungle: twitch
ADC: varus
Support: ashe

You couldn't lose because while the other team has one maybe two adcs you have 5 dealing max damage!

*also ez has to be wearing nottingham skin so that everyone is shooting arrows which is also OP.


I actually played against this once last season.

Had a jungle Nautilus in the game, he built Sunfire Randuin Thornmail FH Tabi and nearly got a penta 1v5.

Probably the funniest thing in League I've ever seen.


I also think that it's interesting that you guys are not making the suggestion that Riot already made in regards to GP.

They said they were keeping his Q and W as is and changing his E to an entirely different ability.

GP E is dumb and is a lot of what makes him a dumb champion. It has no synergy with the rest of his kit.



the fuck? level 2 allin: E has no synergy with Q, this just in, ketara doesn't understand math.

how does bonus damage and movespeed not synergize with a crit Q and slowon hit. I'd love to hear you argue your way out of that.


It has no synergy because it's an aoe team buff on a character who is designed to split push.

If it only gave a self buff and more stats it'd make sense, but then it'd probably be boring and antifun or hard to balance or blah blah basically this is the reason why it is going to get removed for an entirely different skill.



??? where do you get the idea that GP was made for split pushing?

The only thing GP needs is instacast E and he'd be fine.

that's not a lack of synergy, that's you not understanding how to play GP.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 23 2015 21:32 GMT
#879
On March 24 2015 06:21 ItsFunToLose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 05:40 Ketara wrote:
On March 24 2015 05:15 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On March 24 2015 05:05 Ketara wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:40 JimmiC wrote:
On March 24 2015 04:36 Alaric wrote:
If you Parrrley someone you slow them by 7%, how's that for an enhanced gapcloser? Also Darius has none, neither do Olaf or other champions.


olaf has axe on a short cd and darius has a pull.


In other news since we know the adc is the strongest and 5 > 1 wouldn't the strongest possible team comp be

top: Quinn
Mid: Ez
Jungle: twitch
ADC: varus
Support: ashe

You couldn't lose because while the other team has one maybe two adcs you have 5 dealing max damage!

*also ez has to be wearing nottingham skin so that everyone is shooting arrows which is also OP.


I actually played against this once last season.

Had a jungle Nautilus in the game, he built Sunfire Randuin Thornmail FH Tabi and nearly got a penta 1v5.

Probably the funniest thing in League I've ever seen.


I also think that it's interesting that you guys are not making the suggestion that Riot already made in regards to GP.

They said they were keeping his Q and W as is and changing his E to an entirely different ability.

GP E is dumb and is a lot of what makes him a dumb champion. It has no synergy with the rest of his kit.



the fuck? level 2 allin: E has no synergy with Q, this just in, ketara doesn't understand math.

how does bonus damage and movespeed not synergize with a crit Q and slowon hit. I'd love to hear you argue your way out of that.


It has no synergy because it's an aoe team buff on a character who is designed to split push.

If it only gave a self buff and more stats it'd make sense, but then it'd probably be boring and antifun or hard to balance or blah blah basically this is the reason why it is going to get removed for an entirely different skill.



??? where do you get the idea that GP was made for split pushing?

The only thing GP needs is instacast E and he'd be fine.

that's not a lack of synergy, that's you not understanding how to play GP.


Well, if you think GP isn't a split pusher we'll just have to agree to disagree.

They did already say they're keeping Q/W/R as is and changing E for a different skill, though.

But then again that was like a year ago, probably can't be used as evidence of anything.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 23 2015 22:33 GMT
#880
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