EPTMeanwhile stuff like Malphite no help, Zac almost inconsequential, and Nautilus nerfed as a tank/frontliner.
I'd talk about Shen but Riot would probably never want him to be a decent jungler again because of his ult.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Meanwhile stuff like Malphite no help, Zac almost inconsequential, and Nautilus nerfed as a tank/frontliner. I'd talk about Shen but Riot would probably never want him to be a decent jungler again because of his ult. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 18 2015 08:07 Alaric wrote: Even with a "standard-sized" Cinderhulk, Sejuani would require nerfs because of how strong she was before taking the item into account. Riot simply fucked up by not toning her down at the same time they introduced the item despite the obviousness that it'd raise her to broken tier. Meanwhile stuff like Malphite no help, Zac almost inconsequential, and Nautilus nerfed as a tank/frontliner. I'd talk about Shen but Riot would probably never want him to be a decent jungler again because of his ult. the Naut changes actually read to me like they thought he'd be op if they didn't nerf him first (I have to assume they knew this was a nerf) which might have been true, it's just a much bigger nerf than they thought and/or they thought it was a buff somehow. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2015 08:07 Alaric wrote: Even with a "standard-sized" Cinderhulk, Sejuani would require nerfs because of how strong she was before taking the item into account. Riot simply fucked up by not toning her down at the same time they introduced the item despite the obviousness that it'd raise her to broken tier. Meanwhile stuff like Malphite no help, Zac almost inconsequential, and Nautilus nerfed as a tank/frontliner. I'd talk about Shen but Riot would probably never want him to be a decent jungler again because of his ult. shen really does need some love, his teamfights mechanics are so boring, and have no variety due to major energy bottleneck. Pretty much in teamfights, you save up all your energy to taunt, and if you're lucky you get like 1 W-shield in. Which is worth jackshit. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
not that Q is HOLY SHIT HERE IT COMES EXCITING! but in teamfights he is't really energy constrained unless you miss if you want to make the argument that shen has a boring kit, I think you'd be pretty justified, but it isn't over UNINTENDED (missing E was nerfed to be this way purposefully) energy problems when they nerfed his Taunt to reduce auto attack damage only they fucked him, he can't win trades in a LOT of matchups unless already ahead after that, and that reduced his value, since you need to outduel to be effective in split push. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Which is probably a good spot for her to be in. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2015 08:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Bard buffs on PBE? I'm going to keep collecting freelo from this already op champion until someone ruins it for me in competitive. 34% winrate, op'd? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Volibear has had one of the slowest clear speeds ever since he was introduced but now that the jungle camps have more life and gromp is a single monster camp, he's probably not as slow compared to other junglers as he used to be. I think he probably gained about as much as Shen from cinderhulk: a lot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2015 08:45 obesechicken13 wrote: I completely forgot about Shen jungle. Cinderhulk probably does wonders for him. Volibear has had one of the slowest clear speeds ever since he was introduced but now that the jungle camps have more life and gromp is a single monster camp, he's probably not as slow compared to other junglers as he used to be. I think he probably gained about as much as Shen from cinderhulk: a lot. Shen jungle still has the issue of the first few clears. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
I mean obviously he's not overpowered, but if you know how to play him and don't just abandon your ad at level 2 there are very few people who know how to play against him at this point. I think the low winrate is because people are roaming too much for chimes and overstating their importance early, or picking him with Vayne or into something like Caitlyn. He is so incredibly matchup dependent though. In my experience he does well against Janna lanes, decent against Lulu, decent against Thresh, kinda rough against Blitz. I mean I'm only plat but I think he's far from useless. He's up from 34 to 38% in three days in Master, 30% to 37% in Plat and Diamond. Once his kit gets figured out a bit more I think it'll keep climbing, especially with PBE buffs. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35118 Posts
It's almost like a champion came out without bonkers damage or CC and the shit community has its head up its ass on how to play/play with him. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 18 2015 09:01 Gahlo wrote: It's almost like a champion came out without bonkers damage or CC and the shit community has its head up its ass on how to play/play with him. I mean his winrate has gone up 7% in three days in Plat + Diamond with no changes, just because people are actually having to take time to learn to play as/with him. I mean even Thresh is high skillcap but see champion hook champion will usually win you lane. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2015 09:01 Gahlo wrote: It's almost like a champion came out without bonkers damage or CC and the shit community has its head up its ass on how to play/play with him. That's why it was framed as a question. Cuz if shallow[bay] has some grand secret to get free elo on this champ, I wanna hear it. I wanna know, what he's doing that's ramping his Win rate seemingly up by 20% that's making this champ "op'd" or freelo. On March 18 2015 09:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I mean his winrate has gone up 7% in three days in Plat + Diamond with no changes, just because people are actually having to take time to learn to play as/with him. I mean even Thresh is high skillcap but see champion hook champion will usually win you lane. his popularity also dropped by half, probably making it more so that support mains are playing him more (relative to # of games being played) | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
He better be a really good programmer. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 18 2015 09:14 sob3k wrote: lol I just played with a Riot employee who asked us at the beginning of the game if fizz did magic or physical damage and then fed 0-7 in lane. He better be a really good programmer. ? Do you seriously expect every Rito employee to have max knowledge of the game? | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On March 18 2015 09:16 wei2coolman wrote: ? Do you seriously expect every Rito employee to have max knowledge of the game? All the ones on my team | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He's been chilling there since. Maybe he removed me, haven't seen him on during the last few weeks. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 18 2015 09:13 wei2coolman wrote: That's why it was framed as a question. Cuz if shallow[bay] has some grand secret to get free elo on this champ, I wanna hear it. I wanna know, what he's doing that's ramping his Win rate seemingly up by 20% that's making this champ "op'd" or freelo. his popularity also dropped by half, probably making it more so that support mains are playing him more (relative to # of games being played) well obviously i'm using hyperbole because he's not overpowered but I think that he's a looot stronger than people give him credit for, see my previous posts for some clarification On March 18 2015 08:58 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I mean obviously he's not overpowered, but if you know how to play him and don't just abandon your ad at level 2 there are very few people who know how to play against him at this point. I think the low winrate is because people are roaming too much for chimes and overstating their importance early, or picking him with Vayne or into something like Caitlyn. He is so incredibly matchup dependent though. In my experience he does well against Janna lanes, decent against Lulu, decent against Thresh, kinda rough against Blitz. I mean I'm only plat but I think he's far from useless. He's up from 34 to 38% in three days in Master, 30% to 37% in Plat and Diamond. Once his kit gets figured out a bit more I think it'll keep climbing, especially with PBE buffs. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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