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On October 24 2015 09:45 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 09:27 StarStruck wrote:On October 24 2015 09:12 Sufficiency wrote:I honestly prefer to see Hai as a coach than as a player - especially NOT as a support. It's just too CLG-esque of a move for me. I think all NA fans should be saddened by this move. By keeping Balls who hasn't played well for a year and keeping Hai (with potentially MORE roleswaps), I think C9 is aiming merely for mediocrity. On October 24 2015 09:03 FaCE_1 wrote:On October 24 2015 08:57 Redox wrote:
Well the interesting thing is that Hai is staying on the roster. Tbh I am surprised. They must be really desperate for Hai's shotcalling since he is not that proficient on both roles and also doesnt seem that motivated to play anymore.
Imo C9 can not be a top team as long as they keep someone on the team just for shotcalling who is subpar otherwise. not sure what you want more for "top team". They did reach worlds and did ok for the group they were in. Yes, I know C9 had a chance to advance out of group stage in its current roster; but C9 massively overperformed in first week and lost their chance against a very bad IG and a questionable AHQ twice on the second week. Overall, the current C9 roster is a huge downgrade from 2013-2014. Overperforming? I think using that word to describe what they did in the first stage is bullshit. You know why? They found a strategy that worked on a new patch and teams didn't have an answer for it and just let them keep going with it. In reality just don't read anything into it. Even in first week they didn't really execute that well. But they got incredibly lucky with some desperation calls and miraculously won (esp against FNC). The way they got utterly destroyed the second week is a testament of how much they overperformed the first week. Also don't just take my words for it, watch what Monte said on Summoning Insight too about C9 during the group stages.
good for monte.
it doesn't change a thing. they ran the same strat the whole time. it worked the first week and the other teams just kept giving them picks to run it in the first week. I wouldn't call that overperforming. First week the other guys let them run it.
new patch - don't read shit into it.
other teams had a flawed approach.
group stage was like a game a day for them to figure shit out. if anything that just shows you what derp came about from everyone else.
so what did we learn - don't be a one trick pony because eventually someone will start catching on to what you want to do.
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On October 24 2015 22:19 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +It is kinda absurd that Balls got into the crossfire because he played more than anyone else in Korean boot camp. He should have been commended for it. People didn't criticize his effort, they made fun of his poor performance, hence the D2 memes. Also hard effort isn't what sets pros apart from normal players, it's talent and ability, which often shows correlates with how well you do in soloQ. No one wants a try hard Bronze player over a gifted Diamond player.
I don't think people would have criticized his solo queue ranking this much if he wasn't absolutely atrocious during the regular season for the entire 2015 year.
Solo queue ranking just happened to be very concrete and very easy to get picked on; comparably it's somewhat harder to criticize someone's professional play, especially as merely a casual fan.
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Again, it had nothing to do with solely just his rank. It was pointed out because Huni, the other top laner from a western team in his group, got much higher much faster than he did.
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Not only. If balls was the one stomping solo and huni was doing w/e people would just say he was trolling or w/e and just not give a shit. Everyone starts looking at the solo stats after someone consistently plays bad in lcs.
Forgot to add - stop with the rumour that balls wasn't dogshit at worlds. He lost every single lane phase and was a non-factor at best in their wins.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
I thought that it's a Rumor Thread, not Balls gaming career one.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
AmazingJ, Baeme and Fireloli to ADG (EDG's LSPL team). Zero and Namei have retired
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
AmazingJ - from Worlds to TGA.
Lmao.
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That was a pretty shitty fall from grace for Namei :/
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Dandy and Mata left Vici rumour
Source: Reddit post claiming they got it from VGTenwowWorld6 stream
Let's see where they end up now.
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On October 24 2015 23:05 Skitter wrote:Oh wow I just checked his lolking. Who is this guy? Streamer? Random challenger?
nah just a random guy I see on Scarra's stream. He plays such random garbage and wins it's so funny to me
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
No one knows what this means, but it's provocative and it'll get the people going.
I assume this means that Taiwan is literally Korea now.
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TPA could go 0 for 82 and I'd look at you like this shit's gravy
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IMO Taiwan has the most potential out of all the regions to rival Korea, though that's cuz I'm a biased fanboy. Also Taiwan is the only region to win worlds against Korean teams.
TPAnever4get
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On October 27 2015 00:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
IMO Taiwan has the most potential out of all the regions to rival Korea, though that's cuz I'm a biased fanboy. Also Taiwan is the only region to win worlds against Korean teams.
TPAnever4get
Eh, means nothing to me.
Korea barely had their foot in the door and now that they have both feet in and then some, no one but Korea is going to win Worlds anymore.
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On October 27 2015 00:35 Skitter wrote:
TPA could go 0 for 82 and I'd look at you like this shit's gravy
Flame so hard motherfuckers gonna fine me.
User was warned for this post (low content)
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 27 2015 00:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
IMO Taiwan has the most potential out of all the regions to rival Korea, though that's cuz I'm a biased fanboy. Also Taiwan is the only region to win worlds against Korean teams.
TPAnever4get
too small a playerbase and too much of a poaching threat from china.
i still rate china as the 2nd best region going forward just due to the hardware stuff but they really need to develop a professional culture.
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Based on what I know, players going from Taiwan -> China is pretty unlikely-- then again the Chinese might offer some ridiculously huge salaries. Taiwan is a third of the size of South Korea, I think that's enough people to put together a few good teams esp. with a little more infrastructure.
China... well, like you said, they need professional culture. I feel like if you take away the imports they progressed the least as a region since last season. They were a bunch of mechanical and farming gods, but would just constantly get outplayed and outmaneuvered across the map. They haven't evolved past the MarineKingPrime strategy of macro hard, smash into the enemy repeatedly until he dies or you're dead. Like, they've improved slightly but in terms of teamwork and strategy they're incredibly poor.
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