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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 14 2015 15:22 GMT
#2481
So if he's done with low-tier teams he's not likely to want to go to TSM.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 14 2015 15:50 GMT
#2482
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
October 14 2015 16:08 GMT
#2483
On October 15 2015 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.


I thought Forgiven was not a toxic person in team environments, its his behavior in soloQ that made him a scapegoat.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
crimethinking
Profile Joined February 2015
Vietnam765 Posts
October 14 2015 16:39 GMT
#2484
On October 15 2015 01:08 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.


I thought Forgiven was not a toxic person in team environments, its his behavior in soloQ that made him a scapegoat.

Solo queue can make everyone toxic. I don't fault him for that.

Forgiven is generally pretty frank and trolly. That shit's fine in Dota, but not with Riot and Lyte Ph.D.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 14 2015 16:44 GMT
#2485
On October 15 2015 01:08 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.


I thought Forgiven was not a toxic person in team environments, its his behavior in soloQ that made him a scapegoat.


I don't remember the sources, but I heard he is very toxic in scrims.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
October 14 2015 16:58 GMT
#2486
I've also read about him been toxic in teams, mostly in the CW era, although it supposedly has been blown out of proportion, some of his old teammates have said so in many occasions and have also praised him about improving a lot in that area
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 14 2015 17:18 GMT
#2487
On October 15 2015 00:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 23:41 Numy wrote:
He still randomly got caught and positioned badly in fights when he had a support he could communicate better with though? I don't really see how either of those things has to do with communication between support.


WT plays very aggressively since his debut. I still remember his first LCS game where he made some very aggressive and borderline questionable decisions (I think deman casted that game) but got a pentakill anyway. IIRC TSM basically played along with WT and his aggression to complement his playstyle.


he literally flashed into the base when all inhib towers were up, causing all of TSM to kill themselves to try to get him back out and get aced in a game where they were waaaaaaaay ahead
Carrilord has arrived.
MuddyJam
Profile Joined September 2014
535 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 17:35:11
October 14 2015 17:19 GMT
#2488
On October 15 2015 01:44 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 01:08 DarkCore wrote:
On October 15 2015 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.


I thought Forgiven was not a toxic person in team environments, its his behavior in soloQ that made him a scapegoat.


I don't remember the sources, but I heard he is very toxic in scrims.


There is a SI episode with freeze where he talks about forgv1n saying troll things in chat about sivir. More of a joke i imagine, not like old Gosu Pepper who, if Thorin is believed used to rage quit scrims back in m5.

More interesting story here is Gambit itself tbh. If you listen to Thorins last reflections with Forgiv1n, he basically says how he hated that people didn't preform in lcs how they do in scrims. In particular he basically says chief offender is Diamondprox being a monster in scrims then going missing in lcs (and to an extent Betsy). I imagine Shaunz (gambit coach) has a plan though. and maybe has plans for players to grab. Maybe they will try and grab tabz and froggen from alliance. Would sure up their late game shot calling and give them monster solo laners.

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EsanLOL
Profile Joined January 2015
479 Posts
October 14 2015 17:22 GMT
#2489
On October 15 2015 01:08 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.


I thought Forgiven was not a toxic person in team environments, its his behavior in soloQ that made him a scapegoat.


I'm a bit foggy, but I think he also made some derogatory tweets on Twitter about his own team while he was on CW that sparked the first fine he got.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 19:20:42
October 14 2015 19:20 GMT
#2490
On October 15 2015 02:22 EsanLOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 01:08 DarkCore wrote:
On October 15 2015 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Very good decision from him to mot talk about it.

Anyway, I can see forgiven playing for TL, CLG, or TSM. It's probaly a good thing. Let's see if he can change his toxic ways.


I thought Forgiven was not a toxic person in team environments, its his behavior in soloQ that made him a scapegoat.


I'm a bit foggy, but I think he also made some derogatory tweets on Twitter about his own team while he was on CW that sparked the first fine he got.


He just said that his team was trash besides Amazing and didn't want to improve.
Which was 100% true.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 14 2015 19:25 GMT
#2491
Seems like a guy that just calls bad players bad which isn't exactly good if you want a healthy environment. Obviously you could just stop having bad players on your team but that's a lot more work.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 14 2015 19:29 GMT
#2492
Rumors circling around that Legend Dragon's jungler Avoidless is coming to Hong Kong Esports. Since I haven't heard anything about May/Olleh leaving HKES I assume he'll not count as foreign because he didn't play in the actual LPL.
Glorious SEA doto
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 20:04:37
October 14 2015 20:04 GMT
#2493
Looking at TSM, I think support is their biggest problem. I'm confident they'll find a top. Synergy between support and AD is insanely important, and it's just not there for WT and Lustboy. I think WT has the potential to be more of a carry AD, but having a support who he isn't super close to is really hurting his game. In lane it's only a small difference, but the gap between him and other AD's grows exponentially as the game goes by. He might as well be playing with a soloQ partner.

From my own experience, having a duo AD vs. as random soloQ AD is a huge difference. I'm a support main, so I'm pretty confident that I'm going to beat the other support. However, when you put me and my duoQ partner in a lane together, we're gonna win lane like 90% of the time. A less powerful indicator: Aphro and DLife stream together, Lemon and Sneaky stream together, Piglet and Poohmandu were the 100 acre lane. WT and Lustboy don't seem to share much except a lane.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 20:07:50
October 14 2015 20:06 GMT
#2494
Why did people start to question WT and Lustboy synergy year after Lustboy carried TSM 1v9 to Worlds, lmao. So, when he just came to team, not able to speak English at all, synergy was better or what?

Pointing fingers at anyone on TSM but Bjergsen is just pointless, they all were mediocre-bad in Season 5, especially, its second half.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
October 14 2015 20:35 GMT
#2495
On October 15 2015 04:25 Numy wrote:
Seems like a guy that just calls bad players bad which isn't exactly good if you want a healthy environment. Obviously you could just stop having bad players on your team but that's a lot more work.

Seriously, if I am an owner looking at Forgiven and a player on my team has a bad couple weeks (which happens to everyone) am I going to have to deal with a malcontent player who brings down team moral? Or I could get a really good performer like Freeze who not only played really well, but did so to stand out on an awful team.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 20:48:19
October 14 2015 20:40 GMT
#2496
On October 15 2015 05:06 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why did people start to question WT and Lustboy synergy year after Lustboy carried TSM 1v9 to Worlds, lmao. So, when he just came to team, not able to speak English at all, synergy was better or what?

Pointing fingers at anyone on TSM but Bjergsen is just pointless, they all were mediocre-bad in Season 5, especially, its second half.


I think the reason is that TSM as a team looks disjointed. So communication and shotcalling naturally comes to mind... especially when Lustboy has basically done no English interviews for 1.5 years he's been here.

Not saying this is fair criticism of him by any means.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
October 14 2015 21:09 GMT
#2497
BEAUTIFUL! Exactly the changes I wanted. This is why I love TSM and Regi.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 14 2015 21:13 GMT
#2498
put forgiven on mid maybe
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 21:23:18
October 14 2015 21:16 GMT
#2499
As Season 5 comes to a close, we announce with a heavy heart the departures of Lucas ‘Santorin’ Larsen, Jang-sik ‘Lustboy’ Ham, and Marcus ‘Dyrus’ Hill from our League of Legends line-up. Santorin will be stepping down from the TSM roster, while Lustboy and Dyrus will remain as streamers under TSM.
Lucas ‘Santorin’ Larsen and our brand are mutually parting ways. Both him and the team remain on amicable terms, and we appreciate all his hard work in the past year. TSM wishes him farewell and best of luck in his future endeavors.
“I have enjoyed my time with TSM but we have now decided to part ways. Everyone has been nice to me and Andy has always done his best to help me out with everything. I will most likely not be playing competitive League Of Legends anymore but I will try to make full time streaming work while studying on the side.” -Lucas ‘Santorin’ Larsen
“Santorin was a pleasure to work with. It’s a real shame that things didn’t work out. I wish him the best of luck for the future” -Andy ‘Reginald’ Dinh
Jang-sik ‘Lustboy’ Ham is departing from TSM as a result of his decision to retire from professional play. His retirement marks the end of a very storied career, having been a part of the dominant Azubu Blaze, and spending the last year of his career as a part of the TSM family. Lustboy has left behind very large shoes to fill, and he will be remembered fondly with his hard earned victories on TSM. Lustboy will move to an analyst position, while also helping TSM construct their 2016 roster.
“Due to shoulder injuries and being tired of playing, I decided to step down as a player but I’ll still be involved with TSM helping in anyway possible. I will never forget how much fans and everyone treated me kindly, and I appreciate the opportunity given to me by TSM to prove my skills even though I was a foreigner.” - Jang-sik ‘Lustboy’ Ham
“Lustboy joined TSM at a critical time, when we were left without a support due to unforeseen circumstances. He was rushed to join the team and was a crucial part of our 1st place finish in summer split 2014. He’s been a pleasure to work with in and out of game and I hope he can continue his success for the rest of his future endeavors” - Yoonsup ‘Locodoco’ Choi
Last, but not least, the departure of Marcus ‘Dyrus’ Hill. In the last four years, Dyrus has built a legacy. This is a legacy of dominance over the North American League of Legends professional scene for the previous four seasons. Four seasons where Dyrus maintained a berth on the top of North American standings throughout his career, and became one of only two players to have attended every World Championship to date. Dyrus’ achievements during his tenure within Team SoloMid have made him a legend, and his retirement marks the end of an era. Dyrus will be moving into the “TSM Retirement Home” with ex-teammate Brian ‘TheOddOne’ Wyllie to become a full time streamer.
“After 5 seasons of playing competitive I think it’s time to give someone else the chance to play with such amazing teammates. I am burnt out and it would be unfair to keep going without the same level of motivation. I will still be under TSM and I will support them from behind the scenes. Thank you all for everything I look forward to seeing the new roster soon!” -Marcus ‘Dyrus’ Hill
“Thanks so much for being an awesome friend, teammate, and employee for the last 5 years. I look forward to continue working with Dyrus in supporting his transition from a player to streamer.” -Andy ‘Reginald’ Dinh
We wish to express our gratitude to these players, all of whom have dedicated an extreme amount of time and their lives to Team SoloMid. Their contributions will have a lasting influence within the organization, and again we wish them all fair fortunes and the best of luck.
As a result of these changes, Team SoloMid is currently holding tryouts for starters in our top, jungle, and support positions. Any candidate must have the following requirements:
Fluency in English Challenger ranking in NA, EU, KR, CN, or TW Willing to relocate to the TSM Gaming House in California, USA A positive mind set, which includes but is not limited to the following: Willingness to learn from others Competitive spirit The ability to accept criticism and be self-critical Cooperative and willing to adapt to and work within a team environment
Please send applications to tryouts@solomid.net with the following format:
Name: Age: Position: Screenshot of current solo queue rank in client: Experience in competitive League of Legends: Motivation for joining:


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So new top, jungle and support. I think top will be a fairly easy position to fill for TSM --plenty of skilled tops out there. Very likely they'll pick up an Asian one I think. Normally I think it would be difficult to rebuild from 2 players, but the TSM brand and $$$ will make it so that's not a problem. I hope they find a support that really clicks with WT, and either their support or jungler is a Hai-level shotcaller.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 14 2015 21:19 GMT
#2500
Challenger ranking in NA, EU, KR, CN, or TW
>TW


SO THE GRAND POACHING OF THE LMS BEGINS RIP KARSA AND ZIV
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