EPT[Patch 5.2] RIP DFG General Discussion - Page 29
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:03 justiceknight wrote: lol rito wants to buff assassin hero with the removal of dfg and now they nerf ahri even more in pbe wtf People are crying because Ahri is sitting at 57% winrate. If Riot wanted to fix the situation, they should just remove the buffs they gave her. She wasn't overly dependent on DFG, she didn't need compensation for it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:07 Gahlo wrote: People are crying because Ahri is sitting at 57% winrate. If Riot wanted to fix the situation, they should just remove the buffs they gave her. She wasn't overly dependent on DFG, she didn't need compensation for it. You know, minus the fact that almost all the pro-player builds on her included DFG... | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:14 wei2coolman wrote: You know, minus the fact that almost all the pro-player builds on her included DFG... dfg is a shortcut to assassination, the way i think Rito wanted to is to buff dmg and use the player's skill to actually assassinate opponent rather just spamming few button. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:14 wei2coolman wrote: You know, minus the fact that almost all the pro-player builds on her included DFG... Do you understand what overly dependent means? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:25 Gahlo wrote: Do you understand what overly dependent means? When her winrate is hovering at 50% @diamond+, with DFG being main item on her. Pretty sure she's dependent on the item. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:27 wei2coolman wrote: When her winrate is hovering at 50% @diamond+, with DFG being main item on her. Pretty sure she's dependent on the item. Right, because DFG Ahri is anywhere close to old BT Varus level drop offs. Ahri has been competitively viable without DFG in the past. You never even hear whispers of Varus anymore. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
The popularity of Varus is unrelated to Ahri. Tabling Ahri though, teams dont play Varus anymore because he has way to high a margin of error/not enough utility to justify picking as an ADC without a dash. If you compare him to Kog its obvious; he has ok scaling, his ult is a secondary engage that is hard to justify having on the team and his poke can easily be covered off by mid lane mages if you wanted to add some to the teamcomp. Nothing about him screams "pick me to uniquely provide X", whatever X is. If he was a better designed champion he would see play, but most of those s2 champs arent and dont without getting seriously changed. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:33 Gahlo wrote: Right, because DFG Ahri is anywhere close to old BT Varus level drop offs. Ahri has been competitively viable without DFG in the past. You never even hear whispers of Varus anymore. If the most optimal build path is DFG, and you achieve 50% winrate. What the hell do you expect to happen if you remove the most optimal buildpath without giving her some buffs? To stay the same? DFG was more core on Ahri than most AP champs that did use it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 03 2015 14:02 Purge wrote: Gahlo what are you even complaining about? DFG on Ahri is core and has been core at least since worlds and reaching further back at least when she got her Charm reworked.www.ongamers.com The popularity of Varus is unrelated to Ahri. Tabling Ahri though, teams dont play Varus anymore because he has way to high a margin of error/not enough utility to justify picking as an ADC without a dash. If you compare him to Kog its obvious; he has ok scaling, his ult is a secondary engage that is hard to justify having on the team and his poke can easily be covered off by mid lane mages if you wanted to add some to the teamcomp. If he was a better designed champion he would see play, but most of those s2 champs arent and dont without getting seriously changed. I'm not complaining about anything. All I said was that Ahri wasn't overly dependent on it. It never said it wasn't good on her and, obviously, if it's in the game there is no reason to not build it on her. Regardless of whether she bought it or not, she could still assassinate people. If they removed DFG from the game without changing her, she still would have seen play. Varus is a perfectly reasonable example to bring up as he was overly dependent on old BT. His whole niche that allowed him to see any play was being able to stack up all that AD to feed bonkers AD ratios on heavily charged Qs and poke the fuck out of people for free towers. That's why he stopped seeing any play, still hasn't, and still won't regardless of what the meta changes to. On February 03 2015 14:03 wei2coolman wrote: If the most optimal build path is DFG, and you achieve 50% winrate. What the hell do you expect to happen if you remove the most optimal buildpath without giving her some buffs? To stay the same? DFG was more core on Ahri than most AP champs that did use it. Right, because winrate is the epitome of balance meters. Especially when they have a 20% pick rate. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2015 14:09 Gahlo wrote: Right, because winrate is the epitome of balance meters. Especially when they have a 20% pick rate. No, but 100% buyrate is pretty good indicator of "dependent". | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 03 2015 14:23 wei2coolman wrote: No, but 100% buyrate is pretty good indicator of "dependent". Forget it, at best you're being intentionally dense now. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On February 03 2015 14:23 wei2coolman wrote: No, but 100% buyrate is pretty good indicator of "dependent". It was nowhere close to 100%. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 03 2015 15:39 JazzVortical wrote: Ahri nerfs aside (warranted IMO), PBE also has Farsight orb placing a ward for 60 seconds. That could be big, even if it is visible. Ahri nerfs seem a little...odd to me. Of course PBE is never final, but it seems to be going in a bizarre direction. Also, is Ahri disabled for 5.2 in competitive? And if not, what is the justification? | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g44ebzN.jpg) lol a while ago @ imp's stream + Show Spoiler + too bad they dodged | ||
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ParadeofMadness
United Kingdom1027 Posts
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Upgrade Price reduced to 250 from 475 I hope that this change will make all supports buy Oracle's, especially against invisible enemies like freaking Akali. | ||
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