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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 06 2015 03:43 GMT
#1661
On January 06 2015 12:22 GolemMadness wrote:
Is 17-0-13 the best mastery page for Eve these days? Is 21/9 even viable? I want to try bringing back some Eve.

Depends, how all in do you want to go on a the success of a lvl 3 gank?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 06 2015 04:06 GMT
#1662
On January 06 2015 12:43 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 12:22 GolemMadness wrote:
Is 17-0-13 the best mastery page for Eve these days? Is 21/9 even viable? I want to try bringing back some Eve.

Depends, how all in do you want to go on a the success of a lvl 3 gank?


21-9 is fine
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
January 06 2015 05:07 GMT
#1663
--- Nuked ---
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 05:59:48
January 06 2015 05:49 GMT
#1664
Clustering champions into groups using hierarchical clustering based on champion usage data. The champions in the same group have higher correlation on their usage (i.e. champions in the same group are more likely to be played by the same player).

For example the bottom group (Group 4) has most of the ADC champions. This makes sense, since there are probably many "ADC mains" who plays a lot of ADC (thus high correlation for ADC champion usage) and very little everything else.

NOTE: I added the horizontal black lines manually for easier reading. I am pretty sure it's not possible to sketch those using off the shelf methods. Here's a version without the black lines.
[image loading]

If you like these kinds of graphs you may want to look at this one: it's drawn using the exact same methodology from a Nature paper: http://www.nature.com/srep/2013/130408/srep01583/fig_tab/srep01583_F6.html

It's a pretty neat way to group items together, although personally I am pretty meh when it comes to hierarchical clustering.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
January 06 2015 06:36 GMT
#1665
Interesting. Since its hard to look at the picture and see which champions are which does it give us any interesting insight into how champions use is correlated? For instance are there types of AD's and types of mids with any reliability?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 06 2015 06:41 GMT
#1666
does anyone else think reksai top is just absolutely broken?
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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
January 06 2015 06:44 GMT
#1667
Thanks for collecting and organizing the data. I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with the methodology - does each branch of the tree on the left side of the graph correspond to an equally large correlation? In other words, what's the relationship between champions in sets {2,4,6} and {1,3,5,7}?

I'd be interested to know if there are any champs that are "go-to" for people forced to play a role that's not their main. Conventional wisdom is that you play something like Caitlyn or Ziggs, is there any way to test that?
Trust in Bayes.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 06 2015 07:02 GMT
#1668
seems less extreme than I would have expected
Carrilord has arrived.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
January 06 2015 07:10 GMT
#1669
I too am interested in the method since after reading the description I don't quite understand how to apply it to correlations. But I can answer the tree question.

In a heiraechical cluster groups are formed in pairwise based on distance*. Those groups (and any odd ones out) are then grouped pairwise again based on distance. This is repeated until there is only one group at the top. The lines on the side are a visual representation of that process. The graph is organized in a way to make the roots obvious (ie no crossing lines) which also has the nice effect of clustering the high correlations around the diagonal.

*which can have many definitions
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4163 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 08:15:15
January 06 2015 08:14 GMT
#1670
On January 06 2015 15:41 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
does anyone else think reksai top is just absolutely broken?

I don't think there is a single champion who wins trades with reksai top, perhaps some ranged champs if they are able to trade without taking damage, but hardly.
The only consolidation is that around lvl 12-13 if she did not rekt to oblivion, many top laners catch up with her since she has only one damage ability.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 06 2015 08:15 GMT
#1671
Rek'Sai top is terrifying. Out-trades you, out-roams you, potentially out-pokes you, and most definitely out-sustains you.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 06 2015 08:25 GMT
#1672
Dunno, I played against Rek'sai as Jax and it kinda sucked around 6-8, but once I got over the hump I just mashed her face. Granted its Jax...
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4163 Posts
January 06 2015 08:33 GMT
#1673
On January 06 2015 17:25 zer0das wrote:
Dunno, I played against Rek'sai as Jax and it kinda sucked around 6-8, but once I got over the hump I just mashed her face. Granted its Jax...

This is her only weakness, she does not do much more after lvl 9, leveling W/E/R do not add a lot for Reksai
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 08:41:38
January 06 2015 08:39 GMT
#1674
i just played a game with a player on my team who instalocked tp/revive soraka and ran into enemy zed three times in a row at level 1, first time i've ever seen this level of trolling and douchebaggery (gold 4 ranked, he was gold 2)

and now i go back into queue and he's on my team again but picks fiora flash ignite, why would you be such a cunt for one game and then play properly? assuming he isn't about to troll again

nope he switched to tp clarity fuck this game man
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 06 2015 09:01 GMT
#1675
Log on you pussies; let's d this.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
January 06 2015 10:40 GMT
#1676
Korean Challenger started today. Looks like Xenics picked up another roster.

http://www.azubu.tv/ngtv
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 06 2015 12:48 GMT
#1677
On January 06 2015 15:44 MidnightGladius wrote:
Thanks for collecting and organizing the data. I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with the methodology - does each branch of the tree on the left side of the graph correspond to an equally large correlation? In other words, what's the relationship between champions in sets {2,4,6} and {1,3,5,7}?

I'd be interested to know if there are any champs that are "go-to" for people forced to play a role that's not their main. Conventional wisdom is that you play something like Caitlyn or Ziggs, is there any way to test that?



My bad. The heatmap itself is just a giant correlation matrix. This is why the diagonals are red... since the diagonals = 1. The groups often show up as white-ish due to 0.4ish correlation.

As for "go-to champion"... maybe? I need to capture people who are a certain kind of "main" (say 50% of the game played is adc) then look for what else they play.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4163 Posts
January 06 2015 13:09 GMT
#1678
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/01/15-pbe-update.html
For what I understand you can swap (tier 2) jungle items for free now. Need sustain go purple, need to gank take blue :-) looks a little weird to me.
And finally Sona nerf, this overwhelming high mobility, high health, high outplay potential and no flash team fight dependent monster has been nerfed...
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 06 2015 13:29 GMT
#1679
On January 06 2015 22:09 M2 wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/01/15-pbe-update.html
For what I understand you can swap (tier 2) jungle items for free now. Need sustain go purple, need to gank take blue :-) looks a little weird to me.
And finally Sona nerf, this overwhelming high mobility, high health, high outplay potential and no flash team fight dependent monster has been nerfed...

noo, nee-chan! What did they do to your face.. t.t
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 06 2015 13:31 GMT
#1680
So you're into incest too?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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