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riotjune
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 23 2014 12:04 PrinceXizor wrote: why the hell wouldn't you hold a company up to the highest standard available. its not like riot can't afford to hire employees, and not like they are struggling to pay bills. they are successful, they should be held to highest standard in any field on the matter. same as any company. if you only compare them to direct competition thats like saying its totally acceptable for Origin to be the shitter than it is because U play is worse. that fact that you think a gaming company should be held to the same standard as a financial giant with revenue of over $15 billion dollars and a couple trillion in client assets is fucking laughable. Source regarding Riot's stance/stuff they do regarding hackers from one month ago. Direct quote on why Riot doesn't have an in-game report option for hackers/exploiters. Heck look through the first linked comment thread for more info. | ||
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Sufficiency
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Not sure what else you want. | ||
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PrinceXizor
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TheYango
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On October 23 2014 12:20 Sufficiency wrote: Basically, this hack got to reddit front page today. And it is fixed today. Not sure what else you want. For them to have fixed it yesterday, obviously. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 23 2014 12:22 PrinceXizor wrote: i wasn't aware it took 15 billion dollars a year to tempt hackers to work for you instead of against you. carry on. i clearly don't know how much money people make. Look, if the U.S. government, with all their money and power can't stop their systems from being constantly assaulted, if Apple with their mountains of cash can't prevent celeb nude leaks from iCloud, I really don't see why you expect Riot to be able to prevent their game from being 100% hack/exploit free. Some people make hacks/exploits not just for money, but for the lolz. Plus, it's not like Riot doesn't have a security team. It's more that fact that when it comes to network and computer security, it's a game of cat and mouse. No matter how good your security system is, it will always be broken eventually and you will always have to patch it. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 23 2014 11:57 Nos- wrote: Amusingly enough when I interned at IBM for like a year and a half the team I was on was run in almost the exact same manner. Full timers had full freedom to work from home whenever, provided they send an email the morning of or the night before. I was regularly coming in at 9:30 for a daily scrum meeting and leaving at 4:45-5 with some of the other interns on the team. Not like any one really gave a shit though everyone gets their shit done whether in the lab or at home so the managers just let us do whatever for the most part. I was just playing the world cup games on one of my 3 monitors and had friends in my cube to watch in the middle of the office and my boss ended up watching with us. But you gotta look at the individual teams, the compiler team in the lab is busy as fuck, everyone comes in at 8 and leaves after 5:30 even on Fridays and I'm just cruising it's kind of insane the cultural difference between the teams. That's why I made a special note of it being a Project Manager's perspective. Like, we've seen from our perspective that there seems to be this major disconnect between a lot of the happenings at Riot, right? There's probably a not-negligible bit of confirmation bias on my part, but reading that post and a lot of the comments, it was just like, "Yeah it all makes sense now." It's not like this is the only post ever from a current or former Riot employee that has suggested that their business structure as a whole has not handled the massive population it has experienced, either. I'm not trying to say the sky is fucking falling and they're going to blow up immediately, but the guy just didn't paint a pretty sounding picture, IMO. Also it's worth noting that his edits were not meaningless. He picked out parts about how the all-night Titanfall session led to a ton of people missing an important 9AM meeting, and a Glassdoor review that was apparently well corroborated which mentioned that not attending said 'group activities' has actually been used against employees at reviews, and apparently gotten at least one fired for non-attendance(because god-forbid you want to go home to your wife and kid and not play Titanfall or whatever). There is a lot of stuff buried in the comments of that thread, I was reading it for a long, long time(because I found it all very interesting tbh, especially from my view, which is to say the closest I will ever be to that environment was a couple years working hardware/breakfix IT at a hospital, aka not close at all). | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On October 23 2014 12:34 red_ wrote: That's why I made a special note of it being a Project Manager's perspective. Like, we've seen from our perspective that there seems to be this major disconnect between a lot of the happenings at Riot, right? There's probably a not-negligible bit of confirmation bias on my part, but reading that post and a lot of the comments, it was just like, "Yeah it all makes sense now." It's not like this is the only post ever from a current or former Riot employee that has suggested that their business structure as a whole has not handled the massive population it has experienced, either. I'm not trying to say the sky is fucking falling and they're going to blow up immediately, but the guy just didn't paint a pretty sounding picture, IMO. Also it's worth noting that his edits were not meaningless. He picked out parts about how the all-night Titanfall session led to a ton of people missing an important 9AM meeting, and a Glassdoor review that was apparently well corroborated which mentioned that not attending said 'group activities' has actually been used against employees at reviews, and apparently gotten at least one fired for non-attendance(because god-forbid you want to go home to your wife and kid and not play Titanfall or whatever). There is a lot of stuff buried in the comments of that thread, I was reading it for a long, long time(because I found it all very interesting tbh, especially from my view, which is to say the closest I will ever be to that environment was a couple years working hardware/breakfix IT at a hospital, aka not close at all). Yea the non-attendance thing sounded like such bullshit to me. My team had like 25 full timers and hired 8 interns for the 16 months I was there, and for about 8 of the 16 months I didn't do anything with my team. I kind of just went to work, did my thing, and left. No one said a thing about it, at least not in a professional context. I started hanging out with the other interns afterwards and it was pretty fun but never did I nor anyone else let it affect their work in anyway (despite how lax management was no one would never dream of missing a meeting, let alone to play a videogame). It all sounds a little chaotic and even frat-ish? | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 23 2014 12:54 Nos- wrote: It all sounds a little chaotic and even frat-ish? My exact quote in a conversation with Yango earlier: which is in a way a true statement, but it's how a frat house is run not a billion dollar corporation I obviously am not omniscient to the goings on in Riot, but given the aggregate of all I have read about it, that is definitely my take on it. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I'd be pretty salty if not showing up to a party was worked against me at a performance review. "Yeah, you're great at everything, but you missed karaoke night, that really hurts your review..." | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On October 23 2014 12:22 PrinceXizor wrote: i wasn't aware it took 15 billion dollars a year to tempt hackers to work for you instead of against you. carry on. i clearly don't know how much money people make. it's simply a matter of numbers... you have far less people writing/checking code than those trying to hack/break it. riot most likely could write hack proof software if they took the time to, and then people would complain that they only release a patch every year. they don't even have the capacity to bug check their patches fully, it's the players that have to find the faults in their code. at the end of the day, writing such complex applications is time consuming in itself. it's simply not worth the cost or time required to secure them 100%. | ||
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koreasilver
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On October 23 2014 12:04 PrinceXizor wrote: Right, i responded to someone wondering why riot wasn't more proactive about hacking/exploits by saying they aren't proactive about anything else. clearly i must be criticizing their response and promoting valve. please. why the hell wouldn't you hold a company up to the highest standard available. its not like riot can't afford to hire employees, and not like they are struggling to pay bills. they are successful, they should be held to highest standard in any field on the matter. same as any company. if you only compare them to direct competition thats like saying its totally acceptable for Origin to be the shitter than it is because U play is worse. Ok, I'm holding you up to the highest standard available for human thought from here on. The verdict isn't looking very good right now. | ||
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Gahlo
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 23 2014 15:05 Gahlo wrote: I went over some VODs from worlds earlier to prove an idiot wrong on Reddit(it worked!). Does it bother anybody else when casters refer to Cloak of Agility as "Critical Cloak"? Long answer: No. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 23 2014 15:05 Gahlo wrote: I went over some VODs from worlds earlier to prove an idiot wrong on Reddit(it worked!). Does it bother anybody else when casters refer to Cloak of Agility as "Critical Cloak"? Bothered me. | ||
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Osmoses
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IamPryda
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 23 2014 17:19 IamPryda wrote: so I am running my smurf through silver into gold atm and I have to say there is atleast 5x the amount of afk/leavers in silver then gold/plat. I get maybe a dc/afk/leaver 1 out of every 30-40 games in plat between silver 3 and 1 I get one or the other team gets one 1 out of every 4/5 games. is there any data about this broken down by league feels like something Sufficiency should have stowed away somewhere In Silver now and rarely if ever get leavers, and when I do it's cause the whole team is toxic af and bullying one guy when they're like 15k gold down so it rarely affects the outcome of the game. Wonder if it's cause you're high level (dunno what your main is at) and you stomping the other team causes people to get angrier than they would be normally leading to afk's? I think I've only had like 2 legitimate AFK's in 100 games, maybe a couple more due to shitty internet/DCs | ||
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Osmoses
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