EPTTalisman on Janna is just silly. Just get Captain's.
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Talisman on Janna is just silly. Just get Captain's. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On a different note, what are people's feelings about vikter now that the rework has settled a bit? he seems REALLY strong to me. I hope the nerfs arent too severe, if/when they come. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On October 06 2014 06:59 Vaporized wrote: i got support in my first game today and tried annie. I went 21/9/0, mpen reds (dont have hybrid), armor, ap blues, ap quints. i was 4-1-4 after lane hah! it was pretty fun too. Thanks for the recommendation, I rarely (never) play annie. On a different note, what are people's feelings about vikter now that the rework has settled a bit? he seems REALLY strong to me. I hope the nerfs arent too severe, if/when they come. I've only seen him in 1 game and he got ridiculous fed before I interacted with him so I have no idea. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I think in order to really shine he requires a "protect the Viktor" team comp. Something like Nami support, Lulu top and Ashe/Varus ADC who can peel while he does the DPS would really make him look good IMO. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 06 2014 06:59 Vaporized wrote: i got support in my first game today and tried annie. I went 21/9/0, mpen reds (dont have hybrid), armor, ap blues, ap quints. i was 4-1-4 after lane hah! it was pretty fun too. Thanks for the recommendation, I rarely (never) play annie. On a different note, what are people's feelings about vikter now that the rework has settled a bit? he seems REALLY strong to me. I hope the nerfs arent too severe, if/when they come. W or Q start? I've been going Q more often now. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Dude had like 4000 games on poppy, and this guy was the best poppy I have ever seen. Wow. Was forced into support poppy by our team, and this guy still just hard carried us. Like holy shit. As a support without gold items he had like 12k gold at the 25 minute mark. Like wut... just blew me away. By 25 minute mark he was godlike and just 1v3ing kids all over the map. Its been awhile since I seen a poppy hardcarry like that. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
He is still good, I just feel like every game I win with him right now I could have won with old viktor like 10 minutes earlier. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
IMO you should go 9/7/14 or 5/11/14. Most of the points in offense after 9 are late game oriented (aside from the 21pt), and even if you start aggro on a support you're not going to transition into a full AP build. 14 points in utility gives you the GP10 which is stronger on a support in the late game, and the early points in utility are better in initial laning than anything in offense is. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
the masteries... i sorta wanted to see what the most dps i could do was, with the ap runes and 21/9. 5/11/14 is probably what i will try next game. re: poppy. yeah, there are a few people like that around. I saw one months ago. it is horrifying to play against. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On October 06 2014 06:55 NeoIllusions wrote: Coin is entirely subpar to Spellthief's in lane. I'd go as far as saying that Frost Queen is better than Talisman on pretty much any support, save perhaps a play making Thresh or Annie. Talisman on Janna is just silly. Just get Captain's. I disagree. Talisman has situational value if you have a team that needs the MS for initiation. Both while initiating and in fights, you don't want your team moving towards you, so captains is of limited value (unless, of course, you flash monsooned someone into your team, but captains doesn't really help there either). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 06 2014 10:25 deth2munkies wrote: I disagree. Talisman has situational value if you have a team that needs the MS for initiation. Both while initiating and in fights, you don't want your team moving towards you, so captains is of limited value (unless, of course, you flash monsooned someone into your team, but captains doesn't really help there either). FQC is far more powerful as an initiation tool, especially with Janna. Think about how well Nunu chases down individuals, now you do that with janna who has a nado follow up. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 06 2014 11:25 wei2coolman wrote: FQC is far more powerful as an initiation tool, especially with Janna. Think about how well Nunu chases down individuals, now you do that with janna who has a nado follow up. No, it's not. 40% mspeed for your entire team for 3s is way more powerful for initiation than an 80% decaying slow for 2 seconds that's also a skillshot. It's funny that you use Nunu as an example when he's a champion who is well known for being absolutely awful at initiating. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 06 2014 11:28 Scip wrote: No, it's not. 40% mspeed for your entire team for 3s is way more powerful for initiation than an 80% decaying slow for 2 seconds that's also a skillshot. It's funny that you use Nunu as an example when he's a champion who is well known for being absolutely awful at initiating. It's such a strong slow pick tool, along with easy nado + W follow up. It either forces the flash, or they're caught. FQC+Zephyr+ Nado is almost always guaranteed pick. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 06 2014 11:29 Ketara wrote: The FQC active is better for getting a pick on a single target or running away from one person. The Talisman active is better for teamwide disengage, which Janna is already stupid good at. Yeah but Talisman is not just good at disengage. I am sure you know that. It's a very strong item because it offers a lot to your team and it is extremely versatile. You can definitely disengage with it, but it's also very good for engaging or as a follow up to an initiation. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 06 2014 11:31 wei2coolman wrote: It's such a strong slow pick tool, along with easy nado + W follow up. It either forces the flash, or they're caught. FQC+Zephyr+ Nado is almost always guaranteed pick. You initiate teamfights as Janna by hitting someone with FQC and walking into W range? Are you sure? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On October 06 2014 11:33 Sufficiency wrote: Yeah but Talisman is not just good at disengage. I am sure you know that. It's a very strong item because it offers a lot to your team and it is extremely versatile. You can definitely disengage with it, but it's also very good for engaging or as a follow up to an initiation. It's stats are garbage and Janna already provides group movement speed. Hell, the active probably hits massive diminishing returns purely because the item is on Janna. On October 06 2014 11:33 Scip wrote: You initiate teamfights as Janna by hitting someone with FQC and walking into W range? Are you sure? Pick != teamfight. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 06 2014 11:29 Ketara wrote: The FQC active is better for getting a pick on a single target or running away from one person. The Talisman active is better for teamwide disengage, which Janna is already stupid good at. On October 06 2014 11:31 wei2coolman wrote: It's such a strong slow pick tool, along with easy nado + W follow up. It either forces the flash, or they're caught. FQC+Zephyr+ Nado is almost always guaranteed pick. Stop being silly. Frost Queens is bought because it has the better gold generation and better stats. If any of the GP5 items could give you any of the actives, people would be going for Shurelias 90% of the time. | ||
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