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On July 31 2014 07:29 Volband wrote:
On Janna, always get exhaust. There could be a very little asterix for the likes of soraka, but janna is nothing like nami, where your opponents will sit under turret with 20% hp. If you are the type of guy who always bring ignite to bot as a support, then by all means, exhaust is still superior on Janna. That being said I won with CV Leona too, so yeah.
Frostfang is not "so much better", especially since the nerfs. It's upside was the $$$s and the better early game damage, but after this patch I don't see how can you argue about it. Frost queens active is shit, especially for Janna who already has 2 abilities to disengage and 2 abilities to catch someone. Talisman also good at two things, engaging and disengaging. cdr is the same, and it will be maxed out anyway with your choice of items, and if you want ap just buy mejai or deathcap. Spellthief is especially shit vs the likes of nami, lulu or sona, where it's way too dangerous and ineffective to utilize the goldstealing passive.
Edit: one thing I completely forgot is the cdr reduction on talisman. I've been already accustomed to having 20000% cdr (rough estimate) from support items. Ionian is still be just an emergency buy imo, but will see.
i disagree, the mana regen is too nice to give up, plus dealing 30 more damage on a trade is literally game changing in the early laning phase. unless im against someone liable to kill me for trading ive been having success today going frostfang and just attacking people in lane. shield up, w auto auto and back out again.
if i was against a thresh or a leona lane (which i didnt get today) i would prob go coin but every other lane i feel like you cant give it up.
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Any place where I can see the rune pages of pros? Really trying to think of what rune pages to build for basically anything.
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On July 31 2014 07:47 Dark_Chill wrote:
Any place where I can see the rune pages of pros? Really trying to think of what rune pages to build for basically anything.
http://www.probuilds.net/
Not entirely complete, some notable players are missing especially Koreans but it's incredibly useful for the most part but can be meta dependent, it may be hard to get pages for obscure champions that are still relevant.
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On July 31 2014 07:29 Volband wrote:
On Janna, always get exhaust. There could be a very little asterix for the likes of soraka, but janna is nothing like nami, where your opponents will sit under turret with 20% hp. If you are the type of guy who always bring ignite to bot as a support, then by all means, exhaust is still superior on Janna. That being said I won with CV Leona too, so yeah.
Frostfang is not "so much better", especially since the nerfs. It's upside was the $$$s and the better early game damage, but after this patch I don't see how can you argue about it. Frost queens active is shit, especially for Janna who already has 2 abilities to disengage and 2 abilities to catch someone. Talisman also good at two things, engaging and disengaging. cdr is the same, and it will be maxed out anyway with your choice of items, and if you want ap just buy mejai or deathcap. Spellthief is especially shit vs the likes of nami, lulu or sona, where it's way too dangerous and ineffective to utilize the goldstealing passive.
Edit: one thing I completely forgot is the cdr reduction on talisman. I've been already accustomed to having 20000% cdr (rough estimate) from support items. Ionian is still be just an emergency buy imo, but will see.
Actually yes frostfang is infinite times better.It gives you more of everything.I said start frostfang and sell it later.Also you don't get it to farm the passive.You get it so you have actual combat stats in lane so you don't just get bullied away from the creep wave.You can't just stay behind your ad shield them and expect them to 1v2.
Just because you won this 1 game with cv leona doesn't make it good.Exhaust is not always superior that is just wrong.It isn't about what type of player you are.It is about getting a more useful summoner in some situations.It is pretty much the same logic as frostfang.You get it for actual lane presence.
Janna's q is pretty damn bad at catching people.You really shouldn't count it as an ability to catch someone unless they facecheck or are almost melee range of you.
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On July 31 2014 07:43 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 07:29 Volband wrote:
On Janna, always get exhaust. There could be a very little asterix for the likes of soraka, but janna is nothing like nami, where your opponents will sit under turret with 20% hp. If you are the type of guy who always bring ignite to bot as a support, then by all means, exhaust is still superior on Janna. That being said I won with CV Leona too, so yeah.
Frostfang is not "so much better", especially since the nerfs. It's upside was the $$$s and the better early game damage, but after this patch I don't see how can you argue about it. Frost queens active is shit, especially for Janna who already has 2 abilities to disengage and 2 abilities to catch someone. Talisman also good at two things, engaging and disengaging. cdr is the same, and it will be maxed out anyway with your choice of items, and if you want ap just buy mejai or deathcap. Spellthief is especially shit vs the likes of nami, lulu or sona, where it's way too dangerous and ineffective to utilize the goldstealing passive.
Edit: one thing I completely forgot is the cdr reduction on talisman. I've been already accustomed to having 20000% cdr (rough estimate) from support items. Ionian is still be just an emergency buy imo, but will see. i disagree, the mana regen is too nice to give up, plus dealing 30 more damage on a trade is literally game changing in the early laning phase. unless im against someone liable to kill me for trading ive been having success today going frostfang and just attacking people in lane. shield up, w auto auto and back out again. if i was against a thresh or a leona lane (which i didnt get today) i would prob go coin but every other lane i feel like you cant give it up.
The mana regeneration is the same on both items.
Shield poke gets worse as people keep leveling up on bot, and Janna can just not trade with ranged supports, except soraka, but slowpoking a soraka is just a waste of time. Sona dishes out more damage, Nami's poke is currently the best among supports, and lulu... well, that slow man, not to mention her passive is huge early on. The worst is that you have no other abilities to back you up. Nami walks up, autoes, nice damage from w, which bounces back to heal you, and you still have a good ranged slow (with some added damage) and an aoe stun.
If it works for you, then by all means, if someone is letting himself harassed by a Janna forever, then they deserve it. Shouldn't have gone to bot though.
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On July 31 2014 08:09 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 07:43 turdburgler wrote:On July 31 2014 07:29 Volband wrote:
On Janna, always get exhaust. There could be a very little asterix for the likes of soraka, but janna is nothing like nami, where your opponents will sit under turret with 20% hp. If you are the type of guy who always bring ignite to bot as a support, then by all means, exhaust is still superior on Janna. That being said I won with CV Leona too, so yeah.
Frostfang is not "so much better", especially since the nerfs. It's upside was the $$$s and the better early game damage, but after this patch I don't see how can you argue about it. Frost queens active is shit, especially for Janna who already has 2 abilities to disengage and 2 abilities to catch someone. Talisman also good at two things, engaging and disengaging. cdr is the same, and it will be maxed out anyway with your choice of items, and if you want ap just buy mejai or deathcap. Spellthief is especially shit vs the likes of nami, lulu or sona, where it's way too dangerous and ineffective to utilize the goldstealing passive.
Edit: one thing I completely forgot is the cdr reduction on talisman. I've been already accustomed to having 20000% cdr (rough estimate) from support items. Ionian is still be just an emergency buy imo, but will see. i disagree, the mana regen is too nice to give up, plus dealing 30 more damage on a trade is literally game changing in the early laning phase. unless im against someone liable to kill me for trading ive been having success today going frostfang and just attacking people in lane. shield up, w auto auto and back out again. if i was against a thresh or a leona lane (which i didnt get today) i would prob go coin but every other lane i feel like you cant give it up. The mana regeneration is the same on both items. Shield poke gets worse as people keep leveling up on bot, and Janna can just not trade with ranged supports, except soraka, but slowpoking a soraka is just a waste of time. Sona dishes out more damage, Nami's poke is currently the best among supports, and lulu... well, that slow man, not to mention her passive is huge early on. The worst is that you have no other abilities to back you up. Nami walks up, autoes, nice damage from w, which bounces back to heal you, and you still have a good ranged slow (with some added damage) and an aoe stun. If it works for you, then by all means, if someone is letting himself harassed by a Janna forever, then they deserve it. Shouldn't have gone to bot though.
your right, i thought coin started with hp regen not mana. but i still feel like at least starting with spellthiefs is much better.
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On July 31 2014 07:51 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 07:29 Volband wrote:
On Janna, always get exhaust. There could be a very little asterix for the likes of soraka, but janna is nothing like nami, where your opponents will sit under turret with 20% hp. If you are the type of guy who always bring ignite to bot as a support, then by all means, exhaust is still superior on Janna. That being said I won with CV Leona too, so yeah.
Frostfang is not "so much better", especially since the nerfs. It's upside was the $$$s and the better early game damage, but after this patch I don't see how can you argue about it. Frost queens active is shit, especially for Janna who already has 2 abilities to disengage and 2 abilities to catch someone. Talisman also good at two things, engaging and disengaging. cdr is the same, and it will be maxed out anyway with your choice of items, and if you want ap just buy mejai or deathcap. Spellthief is especially shit vs the likes of nami, lulu or sona, where it's way too dangerous and ineffective to utilize the goldstealing passive.
Edit: one thing I completely forgot is the cdr reduction on talisman. I've been already accustomed to having 20000% cdr (rough estimate) from support items. Ionian is still be just an emergency buy imo, but will see. Actually yes frostfang is infinite times better.It gives you more of everything.I said start frostfang and sell it later.Also you don't get it to farm the passive.You get it so you have actual combat stats in lane so you don't just get bullied away from the creep wave.You can't just stay behind your ad shield them and expect them to 1v2. Just because you won this 1 game with cv leona doesn't make it good.Exhaust is not always superior that is just wrong.It isn't about what type of player you are.It is about getting a more useful summoner in some situations.It is pretty much the same logic as frostfang.You get it for actual lane presence. Janna's q is pretty damn bad at catching people.You really shouldn't count it as an ability to catch someone unless they facecheck or are almost melee range of you.
Far from infinity. Less movement speed, same manaregen, less efficently sold in favor of talisman after this patch. You don't stand behind your adc, you stand next to him, or slightly ahead of him, being ready. You can walk up with your shield to the enemy like an idiot post lvl 3, if they are bad you will make a good trade, if they are not bad, you will make a bad trade. Yes, gleeb harassed his enemies under the turret, i believe he even started with coin. Sure, it was gold league and he's a challenger support, but just as good example as my cv Leona. You shield your ad when the opportunity rises. You see the enemy going for that cs, or you just know your ad has skills that he can utilize with shield. Easy, and if the enemy does not like it, and tries to fight back, you are there. Yes, you definetly has a presence walking up to a nami tristana duo with your amazing lvl 3 shield, just keep your fingers on flash.
What situation exactly? I mean, it sounds amazing what you just said but there's really not many situation where exhaust is not the go-to summoner to such a protective, peeler support. "Hey rengar, I know you just jumped on my adc with ferocity q, but let me burn you. Yeah, feelin' it?". Ignite is almost always for laning if you are a support, and with Janna you wither win lane with dominating by being uncatchable and untrade-able, or by turning all-ins. Ignite is a pretty shitty mid or late game summoner, and even in situations where it's not shit, exhaust is not a so much worse alternate. Would you ignite the fizz who just sharked and about to go in, or put exhaust on him? Would you exhaust 3k hp darius, or put an exhaust on him just when he goes for the ult, denying the reset? Would you ignite or exhaust jax? Would you ignite or exhaust irelia? Really, who would you ignite? Usually, if exhaust is bad or useless (vs full tanks for example), ignite too.
My second choice howewer would be heal on support janna, and barrier/cleanse on the adc, but they rarely take it.
You can charge your q, if the enemy has obvious escape route, not to mention you can interrupt jumps. Oh look, Aatrox is jumping awa... nevermind. W is superior, for sure, unless it's a 3-5 man catch. Still, talisman and fotm shits on frostqueen. There are thousands of scenarios where talisman active is more useful (or actually does something) than fq, and even when fq is good, you could'Ve used talisman for everything but the damage. That scary ~100 dmg.
Edit: I agree that pre-patch spellthief was a totally ok buy on Janna, that shit gave way too much money, with the added bonus for damage. You could also get it from towers, so even if your opponents were not vegetables, they could not deny you from your money if you were pushing.
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I think Jarvan could make a big comeback this patch, but I kind of hope not. Running ignite on Eve vs Jarvan can lead to some unfun situations.
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Jarvan's already been seeing a lot more play as of late. Dexter loves that champion.
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Jarvan / heca were my S3 go-to picks. Glad he's making a comeback.
Although for some reason i just spam Wukong this season because i never have an idea of what to pick. Over 50% of my games are wukong. D:
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On July 31 2014 07:48 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 07:47 Dark_Chill wrote:
Any place where I can see the rune pages of pros? Really trying to think of what rune pages to build for basically anything. http://www.probuilds.net/Not entirely complete, some notable players are missing especially Koreans but it's incredibly useful for the most part but can be meta dependent, it may be hard to get pages for obscure champions that are still relevant.
Use this for Koreans: http://www.tving.com/micro/lol/league/game.do?category=rune&id=2014_summer
Granted, you're stuck with what's been played in Champions and have to figure out which characters are attack damage, ability power, armor, etc but it's better than nothing.
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Janna's really good against Tristana. I played a MF/Janna lane vs Morg/Trist and Janna caught Trist mid-jump 2 times with a tornado for kills when she otherwise would have escaped. The Trist was overextending technically because that possibility exists, but literally nobody was prepared for it happening because I'm sure nobody but my Janna knew what she intended to happen.
MF and Wukong are my top two and they're 69% and 78% respectively. Hopefully I can make D1 this season, I'm in promos for D2 right now
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anyone else getting a DistanceB thing in game?
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On July 31 2014 10:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Janna's really good against Tristana. I played a MF/Janna lane vs Morg/Trist and Janna caught Trist mid-jump 2 times with a tornado for kills when she otherwise would have escaped. The Trist was overextending technically because that possibility exists, but literally nobody was prepared for it happening because I'm sure nobody but my Janna knew what she intended to happen.
MF and Wukong are my top two and they're 69% and 78% respectively. Hopefully I can make D1 this season, I'm in promos for D2 right now
That shouldn't have happened really. Trist had to be amazingly far out to hit a jump with a nado. Nado has a slower movement speed than jump iirc so the only way yo interrupt it is to be beside her at an angle. There are three ways this can happen
1) Morgana is Dead/Bad enough she should be dead
2) Morgana is in the process of/has killed Janna.
3) Trist is super far extended
I think that what you experienced was more that MF shits on Trist and Morgana (her W passive eats through black shield and her damage/harass punishes tristana's weak early laning and trades) and that Janna is very good if her AD has a strong early game advantage over the enemy duo. Since Janna ensures a powerful lategame(I.E. the bonus AD will shore up a weaker lategame carry), and her move speed, shield/kite turn small advantages into large ones she fits best with a champion who wins the early game.
Also you should run Exhaust and Coin on Janna in the latest patch. Frostfang trades worse than coin (5 damage/tick max 3 ticks/wave, coin gives 5 HP/creep for a total of 35 HP/wave) especially for someone who needs sustain in order to survive and trades poorly as it is (against the current crop of supports/AD's at least). Even if they get the procs on you you out sustain them quickly). The days of no-boots Janna might just be back
edit: Heal on Janna isn't so bad (but its not AoE anymore  ). But Ignite is almost actively bad. You won't have good times to use it.
Would you exhaust 3k hp darius, or put an exhaust on him just when he goes for the ult, denying the reset?
Exhaust does not reduce damage from true damage, so exhausting Darius to prevent his ult does nothing.
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On July 31 2014 10:55 fantasticoranges wrote:
anyone else getting a DistanceB thing in game?
yea, i kept getting it in an aram when i was playing heimer.
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Aaah, did not know that!
On July 31 2014 10:55 fantasticoranges wrote:
anyone else getting a DistanceB thing in game?
You are probably playing with a Quinn. It's a known bug when she Es.
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On July 31 2014 05:54 padfoota wrote:
fucking people with arachnophobia D:
Riot seems dead set on bringing back s2 style jungling. Maybe Oddone shouldnt have retired.
Seems we're back to jungling Jarvan/Vi on soloQ for snowballing until they nerf both of them too. Again.
I do like the trends of naut/maokai etc junglers coming out recently but their two buff clear still feels super vulnerable to lvl2 cheeses (sometimes double buff because AD junglers can quickly rush down both buffs while the poor tanky junglers are still struggling with wolves)
That being said, goddamn whens the sej early clear buffs coming
I have arachnaphobia.
They scary.
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On July 31 2014 13:10 Volband wrote:Aaah, did not know that! Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 10:55 fantasticoranges wrote:
anyone else getting a DistanceB thing in game? You are probably playing with a Quinn. It's a known bug when she Es.
Yeah I realized that after a few games. Interesting.
I just started getting it today. Will it matter at all or is it just the message in chat?
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On July 31 2014 13:36 fantasticoranges wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 13:10 Volband wrote:Aaah, did not know that! On July 31 2014 10:55 fantasticoranges wrote:
anyone else getting a DistanceB thing in game? You are probably playing with a Quinn. It's a known bug when she Es. Yeah I realized that after a few games. Interesting. I just started getting it today. Will it matter at all or is it just the message in chat?
Never read anywhere (whether from reds or players) if it was anything more than just a message.
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Holy shit, all the sona qq in riot forums. Seriously, whether she's stronger or weaker now, it is much more fun and challenging to play with her. I like when they demand wider auras, when the whole fucking point of the rework is the introduction of the tap mechanic.
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