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[Patch 4.13] Sona Update General Discussion - Page 14

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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 31 2014 06:03 GMT
#261
So Maokai top is a thing now?
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 06:19:51
July 31 2014 06:12 GMT
#262
On July 31 2014 14:56 Volband wrote:
Holy shit, all the sona qq in riot forums. Seriously, whether she's stronger or weaker now, it is much more fun and challenging to play with her. I like when they demand wider auras, when the whole fucking point of the rework is the introduction of the tap mechanic.

I'm just sad the "dream team" is dead now. sona, GP with zekes top, jungle taric. never again. RIP level 9: 75 AD for whole team.


@neo, i've also seen maokai support a bit now too
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 06:41:45
July 31 2014 06:31 GMT
#263
On July 31 2014 10:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Janna's really good against Tristana. I played a MF/Janna lane vs Morg/Trist and Janna caught Trist mid-jump 2 times with a tornado for kills when she otherwise would have escaped. The Trist was overextending technically because that possibility exists, but literally nobody was prepared for it happening because I'm sure nobody but my Janna knew what she intended to happen.

MF and Wukong are my top two and they're 69% and 78% respectively. Hopefully I can make D1 this season, I'm in promos for D2 right now


Is there a reason you don't go IE -> Youmuu's on MF?
Seems much better on her than Shiv/PD

Also, I think it's funny that Zilean could potentially be >50% PB at Worlds despite not being touched since S1.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 31 2014 06:31 GMT
#264
On July 31 2014 15:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
So Maokai top is a thing now?

apparently. It's been picked and banned away several times in EU LCS. I just tried it and it's not bad. Went against an Aatrox, kinda lost my lane but was more relevant in teamfights since he tanks and peels like a boss. Your ult also gives your ad carry more wiggle room with their positioning.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 06:44:32
July 31 2014 06:43 GMT
#265
mao was always a good solo laner, the rework didnt change much except bring attention to him. albeit he is less fun and more "LCS'd" as I like to put it as the superior build is now full tank.

RIP sunfire/abyssal core
I come in for the scraps
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
July 31 2014 06:47 GMT
#266
On July 31 2014 15:31 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 10:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Janna's really good against Tristana. I played a MF/Janna lane vs Morg/Trist and Janna caught Trist mid-jump 2 times with a tornado for kills when she otherwise would have escaped. The Trist was overextending technically because that possibility exists, but literally nobody was prepared for it happening because I'm sure nobody but my Janna knew what she intended to happen.

MF and Wukong are my top two and they're 69% and 78% respectively. Hopefully I can make D1 this season, I'm in promos for D2 right now


Is there a reason you don't go IE -> Youmuu's on MF?
Seems much better on her than Shiv/PD

Also, I think it's funny that Zilean could potentially be >50% PB at Worlds despite not being touched since S1.

Not true, back in s2 (I think) they disabled leveling w first. TECHNICALITIES.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 31 2014 06:57 GMT
#267
From what I've see, Maokai top is pretty strong. Maokai in general is annoying as fuck with that new ult.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2014 07:16 GMT
#268
He was the same before unless you ran around a bunch (which happened less because burst wasn't as weak as now and mobility wasn't as prevalent), it's just that with the recent changes making it harder to tank shit his ult makes itself felt more, and because ADs are so damn strong atm having a frontline dude capable of holding for a bit longer while your Tristana 4-shots everyhting has more value than 2 patches ago.

Same reason Nautilus can actualy be useful now, more than the golem changes.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 07:32:26
July 31 2014 07:18 GMT
#269
On July 31 2014 15:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
mao was always a good solo laner, the rework didnt change much except bring attention to him. albeit he is less fun and more "LCS'd" as I like to put it as the superior build is now full tank.

RIP sunfire/abyssal core

eh. the recent patches also gave him a bunch of mana buffs which lets him compete with the other top laners. Even post-patch he can still go oom pretty fast if you spam too hard.

before, Maokai was usually laned mid where he could get blue buff to cover his mana issues early on before he gets a big mana item.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2014 08:04 GMT
#270
Mid lane Maokai usually also built a crapton of AP early on and maxed Sapling Toss, his most expensive spell, first. In the offlne you max Q for more harass, the slow's utility, etc. and because you don't necessarily want to push as hard and aren't as threatened by ranged champions.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 31 2014 08:58 GMT
#271
Oof, its gettin real EU Westy tonight.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
July 31 2014 09:04 GMT
#272
The fact the ult centers on him and follows him around means that in longer engagements you aren't limited to fighting in his old ring, even if said ring was larger.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 09:08:56
July 31 2014 09:06 GMT
#273
Tried maokai top. Was against a lulu, and the matchup is surprisingly tolerable. Passive sustain really punishes any help pix>glitter combos and it's really easy to force her to choose between Q'ing wave, and q'ing you because Q is such good wave clear. Might need a negatron before finishing the roa, but after that point it's smooth sailing. The ult is pretty ridiculous as well, lategame when I'm pushing 4.5k hp fully potted up, pretty consistently saw 1k+ damage blocks, and you deal non-negligible damage even lategame.

The new ultimate is ridiculously strong. Fairly easy to keep at least 2 others in range of it, and maokai's kit punishes diving so incredibly hard.

His E also is invaluable for checking baron from really long range. Basically impossible to bait it when the maokai is too tanky to engage on even if you can break banshees+catch, and everybody else is sitting behind him.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2014 09:17 GMT
#274
On July 31 2014 18:04 Kinie wrote:
The fact the ult centers on him and follows him around means that in longer engagements you aren't limited to fighting in his old ring, even if said ring was larger.

That's true, but my point is that the last time he was popular it was also simply harder to fight out of the ring if you played against a decent Maokai because there was less mobility in the game and the fights were shorter (or, more precisely, actually got people killed (usually through burst though) instead of slapping each other, spamming heals/exhaust/shields, then each team runs back to its corner).

Obviously now unless you're playing the artillery piece style with Ziggs (and then you deserve to be gifted headphones playing Lux's laugh on repeat) or Kog, you won't do much with an immobile ult because one team tries to initiate, the other one counter initiates then runs away, then everyone scatters, then the loser gets chased.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 31 2014 10:49 GMT
#275
In today's edition of "shit boot enchantments fuck up", Alacrity Merc treds apparently give 0 tenacity. Not sure about other enchantments.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 31 2014 10:51 GMT
#276
I have no idea how they are coding those boots that they cause so many issues.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 31 2014 11:05 GMT
#277
http://www.twitch.tv/nicegametv
Meanwhile in NLB, save is running rumble vs IM #2
Glorious SEA doto
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 11:27:20
July 31 2014 11:12 GMT
#278
On July 31 2014 19:51 PrinceXizor wrote:
I have no idea how they are coding those boots that they cause so many issues.

Probably just a copy paste issue, where they overwrote a line.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
July 31 2014 11:34 GMT
#279
On July 31 2014 19:49 Gahlo wrote:
In today's edition of "shit boot enchantments fuck up", Alacrity Merc treds apparently give 0 tenacity. Not sure about other enchantments.

Haha, wasn't it the same enchantment that used to let you stack tenacity? Jeez
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 31 2014 11:37 GMT
#280
On July 31 2014 20:05 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/nicegametv
Meanwhile in NLB, save is running rumble vs IM #2

That double Guise build.
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