[Patch 4.11] Maokai Rework General Discussion - Page 39

On July 08 2014 06:04 wei2coolman wrote:

The one thing I did like about Lucian was that it was an ADC that non ADC players could play, and not be useless.

On July 08 2014 06:05 Gahlo wrote:

When did people forget about Eve'd?

On July 08 2014 06:05 Gahlo wrote:

When did people forget about Eve'd?

On July 08 2014 06:08 wei2coolman wrote:

Eve'd died for like 2 seasons, rework'd and now useful.
Olaf died forever, rework'd still useless (he had a stint of usefulness when Sivir/Karma was strong).
Kennen, 25 range nerf, never played minus 1 or 2 games after his ult change.
Lucian (if these go through).
What other list of complete wreckage are there?

On July 08 2014 06:00 Fusilero wrote:

Now that I think about it lucianning is far less natural to say than olafing. Let's go with culling then

On July 08 2014 06:21 xes wrote:

What you find interesting, Riot calls toxic

On July 08 2014 06:55 JazzVortical wrote:
Although I hate seeing Lucian every game, this is a situation where Riot needs to wait a little bit longer. They've just made big AD intemisation changes that have affected Lucian. Give it another patch first. I think it's actually a pretty good time to not nerf the 'strongest' but give a helping hand to someone a bit weaker. MF could still use something, so could Varus for example.

Also the hilarious wheel of Kassadin continues.

On July 08 2014 07:00 Alaric wrote:
Dunno, if I had to hit Lucian I'd probably raise his mana costs and/or his cooldowns, since his passive relies on cooldowns too and you rarely see marksmen itemise CDR so it hits him harder than, say, Ziggs. This way he could retain some poke (but it wouldn't be overwhelming) and his trades would still be powerful but he'd have windows of vulnerability between them (if necessary hit his passive a bit so he wants to trigger it several times over a single Q+passive -> autowon trade), or if hitting the mana costs he'd get oom faster if he wants to be relentless, cutting him from his passive when he can't cast anymore.
It'd also make it harder for him to shove so he wouldn't be able to simply deny interactions this way.

He'd also still have strong burst and clean-up in teamfights, but once his shit's on cd he'd be vulnerable (and contribute less) for longer. Maybe hit his base AD or AS/level a bit to reduce his dps while his passive isn't available too.

Not sure how pertinent that'd be, but Riot certainly wouldn't ever touch the idea of toying with mana costs with a 10-foot pole.
Marksmen are probably the champions for whom it's the easiest to deal with though, since they don't itemise mana or mp5, they are ranged which allows them to keep pushing/farming when their spells aren't available if need be, and they're less likely to get tanky/bring TP/have innate sustain like most offlaners do. Since they tend to stay in lane more, balancing around their power level with mana costs makes more sense, especially since not having mana doesn't make them as hapless as mages.

On July 08 2014 07:06 IMoperator wrote:

imo, the only thing he needs is a cooldown on his passive. This way he cant chain his skills and passive and do massive amounts of damage really quickly. That's why he's such a good duelist and so good in lane.

On July 08 2014 07:17 Ryuu314 wrote:

I think Riot doesn't want to do that. Lucian's passive is very unique in the sense that it's the only damaging passive that doesn't have a cooldown. It also makes Lucian's playstyle flow better - thematically he's supposed to be the Matrix-Equilibrium gunslinger trope and the no cd passive is what really helps tie that theme together.

That being said, they could nerf the damage on his passive. Maybe 50% to 30% or something. Or maybe lower the cast range on his Q and Q only. 550 autoattack range to 500 kills the black guy.

RIP Lucian

On July 08 2014 06:34 chalice wrote:
pages of speculation on massive changes that will likely never actually happen like 500 auto range on lucian is probably exactly why the pbe thread was created.