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Heart Buster
Japan32 Posts
On July 08 2014 10:41 Slusher wrote: imo abusing range is a lot more difficult than using skills, and if you don't abuse your range Cait is p bad. People who don't play ADC do know how to abuse range see: Midlane auto attack trades Ranged top lane auto attack trades | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 08 2014 10:53 Heart Buster wrote: People who don't play ADC do know how to abuse range see: Midlane auto attack trades Ranged top lane auto attack trades It is a little bit different when the range difference is 100 and not 425. It also doesn't help that cait has to really dominate in order to be strong. She simply does less damage than any other ADC if she doesn't have more items (or doesn't have an extra offensive item) | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 08 2014 10:16 GolemMadness wrote: My experience with people who don't play ADC trying to play Tristana is that they miss a bunch of CS because of E passive and at the end of the game I've done more damage as support. I don't know what these specialised ADC mechanics are that you need with Caitlyn. You out range them. You auto them when they try to CS. It's not complicated. its not really rocket science to last hit with tristana tbh if i dont play her for like 300 games then play her again it doesnt take but like a creep wave to figure out in general this game isnt hard to figure out, it doesnt just apply to adc | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 08 2014 09:54 MattBarry wrote: Caitlyn is very safe and easy to play. Idk wtf you are talking about, she is the only AD I can play without feeding hilariously since I don't play AD. Many, many other players feel the same way She's safe and easy, but she isn't nearly as useful damage wise in most team comps if you aren't getting a decent size lead with her. On July 08 2014 10:00 Goumindong wrote: I agree. Cait also requires a good rhythm and knowledge of lane mecahnics in order to harass and zone well in lane, mechanics which are very ranged AD specialized. Trist is the AD for people who don't know how to AD. You can't do well in lane anyway, so don't try. You auto shove lanes by reading a guide, all you have to do is right click from 700 units away This is why I play Shiv first tristana. Farm all day, ignore people. On July 08 2014 10:16 GolemMadness wrote: My experience with people who don't play ADC trying to play Tristana is that they miss a bunch of CS because of E passive and at the end of the game I've done more damage as support. I don't know what these specialised ADC mechanics are that you need with Caitlyn. You out range them. You auto them when they try to CS. It's not complicated. This is essentially what happens when a non-adc player plays Cait. "HEY GUIZ. STOP SUCKING. I WENT EVEN IN LANE AGAINST TRISTANA/KOG/JINX/TWITCH." | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 08 2014 10:53 Heart Buster wrote: People who don't play ADC do know how to abuse range see: Midlane auto attack trades Ranged top lane auto attack trades midlane is a lot more forcing the other guy to choose between creeps and you, and setting up skillshots/punishing if something hits. Most of them have longer windups and similar range, so it's difficult to get into a position where you couldn't auto back. ranged top shouldn't even count count as abusing range differential. Your distance from the other guys potential gap closer is what dictates the matchup. If renekton can spend a single E to get empowered W off on you, then you lose, otherwise harass away for example. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 08 2014 14:05 Sufficiency wrote: I think ADC should build SotD more often. It is really good. If youre like Draven or Vayne its really good. Otherwise its pretty meh | ||
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OhTwoMise
United States164 Posts
This doesn't mean you necessarily have to be way ahead or snowballing, but it definitely changes how and when you can fight and how much and when you MUST farm. It's pretty easy to see in pro play. Even ahead-Caitlyn tends to push rather than fight in the midgame. Although I confess I don't fully know what the new itemization has done for or against her. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 08 2014 14:10 arb wrote: If youre like Draven or Vayne its really good. Otherwise its pretty meh It should be good on Ashe too. 4 crits in a row, guaranteed. But really you have to be able to abuse the timing on the active to make it worthwhile, and for early attack speed items the other ones do better. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Lucian players abusing how stronger he was than the rest were easy to abuse themselves. That was fun. "What's that, you're half HP and I hit 2 first with E and Q both off cd?" | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 08 2014 08:24 Alaric wrote: The "blind" is mostly for jukes and stuff, in a direct confrontation it actually gives vision slightly larger than the standard range (~= 575) so you can most of the time know who's hitting you and retaliate if you're ranged Graves w works just like a bush or a wall combined with nocturne ult does. The reason people in the smoke can see who is hitting them is because you're granted vision of people who attack you just like anyone gains personal vision of someone attacking them. If you don't attack the person in the smoke they will be unable to retaliate ( except by guessing where to put skill shots) Edit I would not be surprised if the reason they gave graves the special noc taunt is because they lifted the code from him and it was an internal joke about the dev process for the champion. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I've found it one of the hardest abilities in the game to use properly, because I have trouble picturing myself the enemies inside's field of vision, let alone anticipate what it'll look like depending on where I cast it. Since it relies on removing information from the enemy (or a light slow when running away) which is intangible, it's not that easy. Getting a kill with it is pretty ridiculous on the other hand. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote: I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through. It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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