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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 15:17:43
July 08 2014 15:17 GMT
#821
On July 08 2014 23:47 Alaric wrote:
Last one was Ziggs. Only reduced the amount of solo kills he got in early laning, so they thought it'd be fine.


The game mechanics at the time (exhaust, FB bounty) protected him from it mattering. [not that I think you disagree with the main point]
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 08 2014 15:19 GMT
#822
I was ironic. Plus, Ziggs needed something to be done about him (and still needs it). And obviously going from above average to average is differet from going from average to subpar.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 08 2014 15:20 GMT
#823
--- Nuked ---
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 08 2014 15:20 GMT
#824
I didn't even realize zigg's had his auto range nerfed
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 08 2014 15:39 GMT
#825
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 15:46:33
July 08 2014 15:46 GMT
#826
idk call me batshit retarded but I don't think Lucian stands out all that much anymore after the item changes.

he's just really good, along with 3-4 other ads
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 08 2014 17:47 GMT
#827
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 08 2014 17:57 GMT
#828
On July 09 2014 02:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p

people still play him though
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 08 2014 18:10 GMT
#829
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/

so this thing is up. cool stuff.
liftlift > tsm
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
July 08 2014 18:19 GMT
#830
euw daed?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 08 2014 18:20 GMT
#831
On July 09 2014 02:57 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 02:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p

people still play him though

I was under the impression that nerf made him near unplayable. I haven't been playing much recently, just watching, so I'm probably wrong.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
July 08 2014 18:23 GMT
#832
On July 09 2014 02:57 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 02:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p

people still play him though


Every Panth I played with recently fed uncontrollably.
I'm enjoying Nid jungle quite a bit in normals, she has decent clear and her ganks aren't that bad.
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 08 2014 18:24 GMT
#833
On July 09 2014 03:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 02:57 arb wrote:
On July 09 2014 02:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p

people still play him though

I was under the impression that nerf made him near unplayable. I haven't been playing much recently, just watching, so I'm probably wrong.

do people actually think like that?
lead the ult a bit and its almost like you dont need to queue up; they didnt actually nerf his damage or anything

literally every champion thats been deemed "unplayable" is still good besides like Poppy or something I guess even Olaf is still usable and not totally awful, glad i dont see him anymore tho bc he was fucking frustrating to play against S2/S#
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 08 2014 18:27 GMT
#834
perhaps unplayable is a too strong of a word? the nerf hurt him, A LOT
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 08 2014 18:27 GMT
#835
Havent seen panth in more than a month.He is pretty meh.Gets useless too fast if you don't snowball hard.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 08 2014 18:32 GMT
#836
On July 09 2014 03:27 nafta wrote:
Havent seen panth in more than a month.He is pretty meh.Gets useless too fast if you don't snowball hard.

so because they nerfed his ult, didnt touch his damage he isnt gonna snowball as hard? l0l.
item changes would probably be a bigger impact

unplayable is way too strong of a word imo.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
July 08 2014 18:36 GMT
#837
On July 09 2014 03:27 nafta wrote:
Havent seen panth in more than a month.He is pretty meh.Gets useless too fast if you don't snowball hard.


Hasn't that always been the case? snowbard hard or become useless lategame?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 08 2014 18:38 GMT
#838
On July 09 2014 03:36 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 03:27 nafta wrote:
Havent seen panth in more than a month.He is pretty meh.Gets useless too fast if you don't snowball hard.


Hasn't that always been the case? snowbard hard or become useless lategame?

i think thats been what ive heard about pantheon since i started playing before season 1 lol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 08 2014 18:46 GMT
#839
Pantheon ability to gank (especially bot, which was most of his role) and initiate (gives more time to react) has been nerfed pretty hard by this though, and it was one of the main draws of jungle Pantheon. When was the last time you saw a lane Pantheon?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
July 08 2014 18:49 GMT
#840
On July 09 2014 03:24 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 03:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 09 2014 02:57 arb wrote:
On July 09 2014 02:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p

people still play him though

I was under the impression that nerf made him near unplayable. I haven't been playing much recently, just watching, so I'm probably wrong.

do people actually think like that?
lead the ult a bit and its almost like you dont need to queue up; they didnt actually nerf his damage or anything

literally every champion thats been deemed "unplayable" is still good besides like Poppy or something I guess even Olaf is still usable and not totally awful, glad i dont see him anymore tho bc he was fucking frustrating to play against S2/S#


i'm olaf and i'm offended that you think i'm unplayable anyway he's pretty bad for most players now, it's like when they reworked zed to be more about skill, less about having a scary f'n easy kit or the nerfs to kayle. you get to see who really is good at the champs, or who was just good because of the brokeness

On July 09 2014 03:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 02:57 arb wrote:
On July 09 2014 02:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 09 2014 00:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2014 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty sure riot makes drastic nerfs in the PBE so people can freak out and then they can make their real change and people are like, that's not bad. Where if they made that first people would freak about it. I'm sure this won't go through, just like all the other bonkers nerfs that never went through.

It's the fact that they even considered it is hilarious. They have goldfish-tier memory, it's like they forgot what happened to every single fucking champion that got a ranged nerf.

well I'm inclined to agree with JimmiC.

there's actually been quite a lot of drastic nerfs/buffs that appear on PBE that never actually make it into the game. unless the change is more or less confirmed by a red post, I'd always take extreme changes with a grain of salt.

for example, remember the proposed Pantheon nerfs a few months back on PBE? Those never appeared on live AND they even had Smash given context for them.

Yeah, they just stealth nerfed him when they removed the ability to queue up spells during man drop and killed him that way :p

people still play him though

I was under the impression that nerf made him near unplayable. I haven't been playing much recently, just watching, so I'm probably wrong.


nah just makes it really hard for bad players to execute everything on time
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