[Patch 4.11] Maokai Rework General Discussion - Page 22

On July 04 2014 03:52 Slusher wrote:
the fact that they become obsolete and offer only a random chance of not becoming a complete waste of IP is prohibitive

On July 04 2014 04:09 Goumindong wrote:
The time and progression to level 30 does a good job of forcing people to learn the mechanics of the game. The gradual addition of mechanics while it seems pointless for people who know all those mechanics already let's those who don't ease into the situation. Giving them the brick wall of mechanics at once isn't a great idea if you want to retain players and have a large knowledge requirement be manageable

On July 04 2014 04:20 wei2coolman wrote:

How are masteries+runes brickwall of mechanics?
IP is still a progression requirement for runes, so there's always that.
I wish summoners/masteries/(ability to purchase runes) were open at level 1.
Make level progressions have specific rewards at different level progressions. Making it so by the time you get to 30 you have all the tools necessary to start ranked.
For example every X level you gain champ/runepage/rune.

On July 04 2014 04:22 arb wrote:

riot will never give people free champions runepages or runes
ever
outside of certain giveaways for liking their stuff or something like that.

On July 04 2014 04:24 wei2coolman wrote:

don't they give out tristana and alistar for free if you like them on facebook or something?

On July 04 2014 04:25 Slusher wrote:
honestly if they gave away the 450 ip champions at level intervals (and gave 450ip if you buy them ahead of time) I think that would be really cool and make leveling more fun, I like the idea it takes so much ip to max out an account now days this really would barely scratch the potential for them to make money off of you, but after seeing how stingy riot was about the rune rework, I agree it's never going to change weather or not it's in their best interest.

On July 04 2014 04:35 Gahlo wrote:

It was for the first time they won a Gold Joystick award.

They also gave out a skin(and Kayle with it) for playing matchmade games in S1.


Really? My roommate that play ~90% Wukong games was complaining about it. Hmmm...

On July 04 2014 01:09 ComaDose wrote:
just so i can learn more;
what about theoretically if i less than optimally cast my R immediately after W, would they be rooted during my cast animation + stun?
or is this the lack of chain cc-ability that if they are mashing flash during that time it will get off between cc's despite them being overlapped?
would it replace the root with the stun or they would be suffering from both during the overlap?
can you get out of range during the cast animation then it doesn't go off?

On July 04 2014 02:59 ComaDose wrote:

and is it between these cc's that they have an opportunity to flash because chain cc is impossible? so even if my ult cast animation is done before they are un-rooted they will have an instant they can flash?

On July 04 2014 05:01 obesechicken13 wrote:

He becomes a spinning chipmunk that will terror your team instead of a spinning monkey king.

On July 04 2014 05:10 Nos- wrote:
I think if the sequence is root -> they cast flash -> CC, they'll flash out when the root is replaced by your ult stun?

On July 04 2014 03:35 Slusher wrote:


what about Yommu > Runnan > Reaver > IE > ???
with zerks in there when appropriate. I think this build has promise. a lot of people might shit on reaver but you really don't need Reaver on kayle until after you are maxing Q and W, and it really doesn't return a ton of man until you have runnan's anyway

just an idea I'd like to try

On July 04 2014 04:22 arb wrote:

riot will never give people free champions runepages or runes
ever
outside of certain giveaways for liking their stuff or something like that.

On July 04 2014 05:20 PrinceXizor wrote:
The problem is the experience of leveling now that a the majority of the players in the game are already level thirty, is terrible. i've played 44 games with 23 of them involving a leveling bot, the others were massive stomps one way or the other involving smurf accounts. so in 44 games i think there have been maybe 2-3 where i was the only peson ruining the experience by smurfing. you don't slowly learn the game the first 50-60 games. you get stomped. if you win a few games in a row you are a level 5-6 account playing vs flash ignite, and if you lose em, you are a lvl 4-5 account playing with 2-3 bots in a game.

It also took less than half the time to hit 30 back when i first leveled. i hit level 30 after maybe 100 normal wins so probably like 200 games. i have about 400 games to go from 44 before i hit 30 now with this new account. and the majority of the levels you gain up to 12 mean nothing, because you can sometimes just run into a stomp where your team is ghost heal x3-4 and they have flash ignite/everything and 5-7 more mastery points, so they are at an even bigger advantage. whats worse is that lvl 30 is a very significant source of power also, at lvl 30 you get your secondary mastery tree filled, you get a 3rd quint. thats a big jump in power you should have to get used to. lets not forget that if you spend 450+ games playing you are looking at having maybe 65000 ip if you consistently win games every day and play over the course of 9-10 months. thats enough for the 16 cheapest champs for 11700, and enough ip leftover to fill your starting 2 rune pages. so you can jump into ranked, but with only access to annie, Ashe, Garen, Kayle, Master Yi, Nunu, Poppy, Ryze, Sivir, Soraka, Warwick and 5 of: the group that includes like morgana, Jax, Janna, Tristana, Nasus. those are probably the 5 best right now from that group. but playing ranked with that makes you so vulnerable to any meta shift at all.

its not even a fun experience for new players from 1-30, You can't say it is anymore at all. The amount of new players complaining about the community and the game in early levels is like 60% of the ones i run into. there are maybe 3-4 new players per game at most. and a lot of smurfs take the games as seriously as ranked, and flame the hell out of people, after all, most of these smurfs are people with banned accounts.