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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
July 03 2014 04:14 GMT
#301
On July 03 2014 13:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 12:55 cLutZ wrote:
Pshh. If you dissent from banality, it is your duty to suggest a topic of greater merit.

Therefore, I propose that all jungle specific items should be removed from the game as they have continually failed to promote jungle diversity, which was the stated goal.

Feral flare did. But the wood 10 league was complaining too much.


feral flare was broken because if you got a lead with a strong flare jungler the game was over at all levels of play, not "wood 10"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 03 2014 04:19 GMT
#302
Wow. Champions with leads win games more often. Insightful. How long did they even bother to keep each iteration of feral flare?
liftlift > tsm
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 03 2014 04:20 GMT
#303
So the glitch where Quill Coat lets you place wards on Dominion means that Katarina is even more fun to play than she was before. I guess Lee too, but wardshunpos > insec
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 03 2014 04:27 GMT
#304
Sejuani cleared faster and healthier with Old Golem.

QQ

Miss that % damage too much.

But man her late game is good now. With that % HP with just like Golem, Sunfire, and Liandries she has like 3.8K HP and 220 armor from passive and new golem. Kinda silly. Can like tank 30 tower shots with Golem and a Giants belt. They think they are safe because they used to squishy ass junglers who can only take 1 or 2 shots. Rofl. So tanky.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 03 2014 04:29 GMT
#305
On July 03 2014 13:14 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 13:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 03 2014 12:55 cLutZ wrote:
Pshh. If you dissent from banality, it is your duty to suggest a topic of greater merit.

Therefore, I propose that all jungle specific items should be removed from the game as they have continually failed to promote jungle diversity, which was the stated goal.

Feral flare did. But the wood 10 league was complaining too much.


feral flare was broken because if you got a lead with a strong flare jungler the game was over at all levels of play, not "wood 10"

There is that, but also the issue that it had huge difference for different levels of play. You need to balance for pro play, buy only within the bounds of things being reasonable at all levels.

The other issue is you had to make the ff vs spirit choice extremely early(often in champ select), so it didn't fix the farming vs ganking dilemma, it just put a timer on each strategy based on predetermined choices. This is rather than the ideal scenario where ganking and farming have nearly the same expected value (possibly slightly higher for ganks) on average.
Freeeeeeedom
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 03 2014 04:46 GMT
#306
On July 03 2014 13:27 iCanada wrote:
Sejuani cleared faster and healthier with Old Golem.

QQ

Miss that % damage too much.

But man her late game is good now. With that % HP with just like Golem, Sunfire, and Liandries she has like 3.8K HP and 220 armor from passive and new golem. Kinda silly. Can like tank 30 tower shots with Golem and a Giants belt. They think they are safe because they used to squishy ass junglers who can only take 1 or 2 shots. Rofl. So tanky.


Sej late game has always been good. Trouble is the early part.

All these tank junglers are getting used now. It's so refreshing. I hope Riot doesn't rush into changes on this one.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 03 2014 04:52 GMT
#307
On July 03 2014 13:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Wow. Champions with leads win games more often. Insightful. How long did they even bother to keep each iteration of feral flare?

The 25 stack feral flare was fucking bonkers. What are you trying to say? That item needed an IMMEDIATE nerf.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
July 03 2014 05:09 GMT
#308
25 stack FF was pretty OP, I think the 30 stack w/ getting stack on kill/assist is fine, but the other nerfs to it were uncalled for. Now it's not really worth getting unless your team is ok with you AFK farming for the first 15-20 minutes of the game.
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
July 03 2014 05:17 GMT
#309
idk, I've seen it on Rengar in OGN, it seemed fine. I've also seen some people build it on jungle Kayle, and I really like the idea.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
July 03 2014 05:24 GMT
#310
On July 03 2014 14:17 Anakko wrote:
idk, I've seen it on Rengar in OGN, it seemed fine. I've also seen some people build it on jungle Kayle, and I really like the idea.


The reason why Rengar can get away with it in OGN is because the team is willing to take a risk and is aiming for early game kills from Rengar. Like his ganking pre-6 isn't terrible (snare with E, spam abilities and slow them again, make them blow flash or die) and post-6 the ult makes his ganks a ton easier, not to mention you can mostly creep up from nowhere ala Eve and 100-0 them with your full combo.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 03 2014 05:56 GMT
#311
On July 03 2014 07:55 Kinie wrote:
So has anyone done Zac jungle yet with the new item? How'd it go?


It seems ok. I wouldn't say he's great or anything but the change to his W is really nice for clearing times. His ganks are still pretty good at CC and surprise but obv his damage is still pretty shallow from the jungle. I see some promise though.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 03 2014 06:18 GMT
#312
Wake me... when they buff gangplank.
Retvrn to Forvms
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 03 2014 07:09 GMT
#313
They're not gonna buff him until his remake.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 03 2014 07:15 GMT
#314
T.T gangplank has such good design thou. He only suffers from a lack of mobility which renders him useless :<
Useless wet fish.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 03 2014 07:18 GMT
#315
Uh, and the most RNG ability in the game?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 03 2014 07:20 GMT
#316
i mean he did get indirectly buffed with the IE buff and all these changes to make passive laners stronger. Hes in a decent spot top lane now although i think he is best used in the jungle so you can max E first
I come in for the scraps
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 03 2014 07:22 GMT
#317
On July 03 2014 16:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Uh, and the most RNG ability in the game?

It'd be less RNG-y if the same amount of cannon balls hit in half the time, and left the second half of the ulti all slow no damage. just by nature of it hitting too fast to dodge everything you'd be guaranteed more damage.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 03 2014 07:31 GMT
#318
On July 03 2014 16:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Uh, and the most RNG ability in the game?

Wouldn't be RNG if they gave him yasuo's passive. huehuehuehue.
liftlift > tsm
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-03 07:48:16
July 03 2014 07:48 GMT
#319
Scip, why are you not in this list? I am very disappointed.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 03 2014 07:48 GMT
#320
I turn on league this morning and see ahri/diana/donger are banned. Wat happen
Glorious SEA doto
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