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Yeah sure, go where you can get ganked up and you'll have to walk through their own wards to reach the spot, they're going to let you do that no problem, and your AD will enjoy the 1v2 for the time it's gonna take.
You can ward these spots when you know neither them nor their jungler is there, sure it's possible, but it means you've got such control over your lane that ganks usually aren't that threatening to you as long as you don't go for shitty dives against something like J4 or Vi.
Edit: just... whatever. PX isn't even making the effort of reading what's posted. Shouldn't be a surprise, but still not conducie to discussion.
I just said that blue can't ward the purple tribrush without either pushing the purple side to their tower (and then it's risky to begin with since you're exactly where a lane gank threatens you) or you have to walk through their blue area to put it down because you can't from the river bush.
Don't go all "oh it's easy to ward there" while blatantly disregarding what's being said and the fact that you have to walk all the way into enemy territory "you guess where they ward so they won't see you" to put down a ward.
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On June 24 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
Yeah sure, go where you can get ganked up and you'll have to walk through their own wards to reach the spot, they're going to let you do that no problem, and your AD will enjoy the 1v2 for the time it's gonna take.
You can ward these spots when you know neither them nor their jungler is there, sure it's possible, but it means you've got such control over your lane that ganks usually aren't that threatening to you as long as you don't go for shitty dives against something like J4 or Vi.
or your jungler does it you know the simple solution. or you use their recall timing to ward or you use the cliff to jump a ward into those spots depending on the spot, only 1 ward isn't covered this way.
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'cept you know, "you can ward it easily" != "your jungler can ward it easily",
"you do it when they recall" => "you should already be at an advantage if you can afford to play around their recall timing",
"cliff jump a ward" -> I haven't trained these spots so I guess I can't say too much about it, iirc these are pretty specific spots for jumping the ward right into the tribrush, and it doesn't address the guy going through lane blue-side (not golems since a tribrush ward would see him, albeit prob too late) or sticking to the right wall purple side (tribrush ward doesn't see that far).
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On June 24 2014 04:13 Alaric wrote:
'cept you know, "you can ward it easily" != "your jungler can ward it easily",
"you do it when they recall" => "you should already be at an advantage if you can afford to play around their recall timing",
"cliff jump a ward" -> I haven't trained these spots so I guess I can't say too much about it, iirc these are pretty specific spots for jumping the ward right into the tribrush, and it doesn't address the guy going through lane blue-side (not golems since a tribrush ward would see him, albeit prob too late) or sticking to the right wall purple side (tribrush ward doesn't see that far).
you can ward that bush in the same amount of time as a support that it takes to ward dragon by going up the cliff for half a second to drop the ward and come back if that truely puts you out of position enough that you'll get caught, then you REALLY don't need that ward because that gank spot won't even come into play., you can also just have your jungler do it, you can also shove the lane to tower, cliff jump the ward over and then go back to playing safe completely warded.
that bush lantern gank only comes into play when you are standing at around the halfway point with no minions in front of you, and i mean the halfway point between the two bushes, but standing on river side of it. and that requires them burning flashes to get there. if you are pushing onto their tower, and you just got there, you can skip the cliff to get the ward down as long as there are minions. if you are back with the wave meeting at the halfway point, then the lantern gank will come from under their tower, not that bush and you can see that with a lane ward.
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On June 24 2014 04:05 sAsImre wrote:
How do you build tf nowadays ?
I'm just going lb zhonya void dfg raba, is there something better (graal start ?)
I dunno grail is okay, I usually just Grail -> Hat then LB/Void/Zhonyas depending on which one i need.
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On June 24 2014 04:23 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:13 Alaric wrote:
'cept you know, "you can ward it easily" != "your jungler can ward it easily",
"you do it when they recall" => "you should already be at an advantage if you can afford to play around their recall timing",
"cliff jump a ward" -> I haven't trained these spots so I guess I can't say too much about it, iirc these are pretty specific spots for jumping the ward right into the tribrush, and it doesn't address the guy going through lane blue-side (not golems since a tribrush ward would see him, albeit prob too late) or sticking to the right wall purple side (tribrush ward doesn't see that far). you can ward that bush in the same amount of time as a support that it takes to ward dragon by going up the cliff for half a second to drop the ward and come back if that truely puts you out of position enough that you'll get caught, then you REALLY don't need that ward because that gank spot won't even come into play., you can also just have your jungler do it, you can also shove the lane to tower, cliff jump the ward over and then go back to playing safe completely warded.
If going up the cliff to ward the bush takes half a second we have a very different understanding of seconds lol....Just imagine you pushing and you move next to wall to try to ward and jungler is there.That is at least 2 summoners lost or just dead.
Just tell your jungler to go in their jungle and ward behind enemy tower.Not like enemy has a jungler/wards rite?
Do you honestly believe people don't know that wards there can be useful?That shit is beyond retarded.
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i never bought or played thresh except maybe once or twice during a free week because i just assumed he was going to be nerfed into the ground and i rarely support.
yesterday i noticed i had like 20k ip and finally bought him, sure enough 1min later i end up as last pick and i guess i felt like trolling my team by playing a champ i was borderline clueless on in a ranked game. our jungler also dc'd/quit while loading and never came back so it was 4v5 the entire game.
level 1 i warded above their red and landed my first ever ranked hook from inside dragon pit as my team came from river to give us 2-3 kills at the start. a little later our ashe was oblivious to a gank but fortunately i was not and i got to experience firsthand just how balanced lantern is.
later still ashe gets caught again and is like at 10% hp after taking the lantern with their lee sin close enough for an easy Q. somehow despite missing basically every other flay i attempted (trying to pull people with smartcast and zero practice is apparently hard) i was able to anticipate and knock him back out of mid air.
my attitude in 4v5s and stomps is like a kid in a pc bang not wanting to waste the time he paid for in a losing effort, but i got outvoted 3 to 1 and sure enough we managed to win.
tl;dr: thresh is so good that even if you don't know what you're doing he's still strong enough that it's like having an extra player on your team.
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On June 24 2014 04:28 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:05 sAsImre wrote:
How do you build tf nowadays ?
I'm just going lb zhonya void dfg raba, is there something better (graal start ?) I dunno grail is okay, I usually just Grail -> Hat then LB/Void/Zhonyas depending on which one i need.
i'm trying some ms shit atm with quints and fast t2 boots (1st back) works pretty well atm, would have to try grail tho. Do you still os squishies without dfg ?
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On June 24 2014 04:35 chalice wrote:
i never bought or played thresh except maybe once or twice during a free week because i just assumed he was going to be nerfed into the ground and i rarely support.
yesterday i noticed i had like 20k ip and finally bought him, sure enough 1min later i end up as last pick and i guess i felt like trolling my team by playing a champ i was borderline clueless on in a ranked game. our jungler also dc'd/quit while loading and never came back so it was 4v5 the entire game.
level 1 i warded above their red and landed my first ever ranked hook from inside dragon pit as my team came from river to give us 2-3 kills at the start. a little later our ashe was oblivious to a gank but fortunately i was not and i got to experience firsthand just how balanced lantern is.
later still ashe gets caught again and is like at 10% hp after taking the lantern with their lee sin close enough for an easy Q. somehow despite missing basically every other flay i attempted (trying to pull people with smartcast and zero practice is apparently hard) i was able to anticipate and knock him back out of mid air.
my attitude in 4v5s and stomps is like a kid in a pc bang not wanting to waste the time he paid for in a losing effort, but i got outvoted 3 to 1 and sure enough we managed to win.
tl;dr: thresh is so good that even if you don't know what you're doing he's still strong enough that it's like having an extra player on your team.
He's definitely pub stompy support. there will always be pub stomping champions though, he's absolutely fine in organized play though, which is all that matters. he's common because he's useful, and many supports just don't fit anywhere in the current meta.
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On June 24 2014 04:38 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:28 arb wrote:On June 24 2014 04:05 sAsImre wrote:
How do you build tf nowadays ?
I'm just going lb zhonya void dfg raba, is there something better (graal start ?) I dunno grail is okay, I usually just Grail -> Hat then LB/Void/Zhonyas depending on which one i need. i'm trying some ms shit atm with quints and fast t2 boots (1st back) works pretty well atm, would have to try grail tho. Do you still os squishies without dfg ?
I like MS quints on tf, you can do 80%+ Easily on an average target with LB + W + Q but you will need DFG to one shot them unless you get obnoxiously fed. Can probably 100% them with stacked deck though if its up
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Soo uh, botrk is still very good on Shyvana it basically feels like she does more damage with it this patch then before.
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Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer.Now all we need is a chat that doesnt fucking scroll every time people write....
sauce-http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908
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On June 24 2014 05:18 nafta wrote:Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer sauce- http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908
I like how they use the concept of clarity to simplify the game. Next time it'll be each player flash timer once it's down ?
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On June 24 2014 05:20 sAsImre wrote:I like how they use the concept of clarity to simplify the game. Next time it'll be each player flash timer once it's down ?
WOW LOL ITS LIKE CURSE VOICE WAS DOING THIS AND IT WAS WRONG LOLOLOLOL
So much no skill omg this ruins the game omg omg omg this is so noob friendly, super casual lets play dota instead
basically what you sound like right now
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On June 24 2014 05:18 nafta wrote:Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer.Now all we need is a chat that doesnt fucking scroll every time people write.... sauce- http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908
So, there goes the room for human error then.
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On June 24 2014 05:18 nafta wrote:Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer.Now all we need is a chat that doesnt fucking scroll every time people write.... sauce- http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908
I wish their devblog had more clarity on where they're at with the replay system.
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On June 24 2014 05:22 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:18 nafta wrote:Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer.Now all we need is a chat that doesnt fucking scroll every time people write.... sauce- http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908 So, there goes the room for human error then.
what kind of person cant add 5/6/7 to the timer
its not evena big deal, it wasnt when curse voice had it, its not now
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Also, with the timers located on the top, I think they're trying to rebalance Blue side by having more HUD stuff on top, limiting bot to top vision. BRILLIANT RIOT!
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On June 24 2014 05:23 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:22 Disengaged wrote:On June 24 2014 05:18 nafta wrote:Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer.Now all we need is a chat that doesnt fucking scroll every time people write.... sauce- http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908 So, there goes the room for human error then. what kind of person cant add 5/6/7 to the timer its not evena big deal, it wasnt when curse voice had it, its not now
And yet people still make errors when timing. It happens in normal games and it happens in professional games.
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On June 24 2014 05:22 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 05:20 sAsImre wrote:On June 24 2014 05:18 nafta wrote:Apparently riot decided to add buff timers/objective timers to game.Guess that's good dont have to search through the 5 pages of flame to find a damn timer sauce- http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/17908 I like how they use the concept of clarity to simplify the game. Next time it'll be each player flash timer once it's down ? WOW LOL ITS LIKE CURSE VOICE WAS DOING THIS AND IT WAS WRONG LOLOLOLOL So much no skill omg this ruins the game omg omg omg this is so noob friendly, super casual lets play dota instead basically what you sound like right now
hmm actually you can steal a ton of buff because junglers are doing retarded shit on the other half of the map the moment it spawns. it won't prevent it to happen but it'll lessen it in lower elos. Same goes for drake if nobody's doing the calls in the opponent team while you're doing it you get a good advantage because someone is actually taking 1s to remember a timer which is an integrent part of the game (both for objectives and cds).
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