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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.
Enough is enough. Let's move along now.
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On June 05 2014 01:31 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 23:54 IamPryda wrote:
I think singed is shit right now they really should revert the tenacity nerf to his ult and reduce the mana cost of fling at lvl 1/2. Adc's and mids just have to much mobility and since tp is needed no more lvl 2 singed all in cheese because no ignite. Tenacity is a really powerful stat to give to champions. Virtually every single champion that had built-in tenacity has been broken/op at some point in time since it makes playing against them so much harder.
He just feels too crappy right now for my taste. Before if he got ahead in lane and cs'd well, he had awesome teamfight presence and a major annoyance. Now he gets ahead and he just gets obliterated by everything.
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On June 05 2014 01:35 VayneAuthority wrote:you are one of the ugliest people ive ever seen.
FUCK
shield is obv not inherent tankiness lel, and shyvana doesn't really even outdamage skarner, over a long time anyway
large jump vs large pull which is stronger
yay for bad comparisons
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so you think people should be playing skarner in competitive play then? Thats what you must have concluded after going 4-8 with him recently in solo queue with a negative KDA.
wait my bad these werent even ranked games. Apparently skarner is not even good enough for normals
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On June 05 2014 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
so you think people should be playing skarner in competitive play then? Thats what you must have concluded after going 4-8 with him recently in solo queue with a negative KDA.
wait my bad these werent even ranked games. Apparently skarner is not even good enough for normals
ive been duo qing with marten who's gold 1 so it makes games inordinately harder especially when im really bad as well
dunno how 6/5/8 is negative kda though
assuming you're going on my lolking
and they were ranked wtf??
its just lolking doesn't know my ranked stats for season 4 since you can't see other peoples winrates for whatever reason except on previous seasons
shyvana skarner isn't even a good comparision, shyvana sucks in jungle, skarner sucks in top lane, shyvana is like a burst damage ball delivery champ with good laning phase and skarners like a flash hook catch champ with sustained damage
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On June 05 2014 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
so you think people should be playing skarner in competitive play then? Thats what you must have concluded after going 4-8 with him recently in solo queue with a negative KDA.
wait my bad these werent even ranked games. Apparently skarner is not even good enough for normals
That's cuz his kit is shit. Not his base stats.
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But wait. Skarner has mana and thus benefits from muramana and archangel's!!!!
Shyvana doesn't have those.
Clearly a trade off by design
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dam thats one high ass pitched laugh
but bro u didnt just insult his looks bro
brooo
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On June 05 2014 02:01 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
so you think people should be playing skarner in competitive play then? Thats what you must have concluded after going 4-8 with him recently in solo queue with a negative KDA.
wait my bad these werent even ranked games. Apparently skarner is not even good enough for normals That's cuz his kit is shit. Not his base stats.
I'm indeed lost. Why would you look at someone's KDA to compare champions base stats?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
But wait. Skarner has mana and thus benefits from muramana and archangel's!!!!
Shyvana doesn't have those.
Clearly a trade off by design
I'll have you know I've literally never lost a match where I built mana or mana regen on shyvana. Clearly this trade off is false and shyvana is in fact even more OP.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On June 05 2014 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
so you think people should be playing skarner in competitive play then? Thats what you must have concluded after going 4-8 with him recently in solo queue with a negative KDA.
wait my bad these werent even ranked games. Apparently skarner is not even good enough for normals
He did say in the last thread that part of his opinion on Skarner being strong comes from watching me
On June 05 2014 01:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
you are one of the ugliest people ive ever seen.
haha, get rekt Teut
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like there are so many good junglers so you'd rarely pick skarner even if you had practiced him, you have like wukong elise eve khazix lee sin at least. In top lane most of them tend to be sort of strong laners and split pushers but relatively weak teamfighters like irelia, renekton shyvana (all these can be good but if they arent fed they can just be target practice)
morgana with good reflexes rapes skarner though, also QSS
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Can Skarner lane?
Oh and what's going to be fotm?
What about Braummmm? He still good? I just bought him like 2 before patch hit.
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Insulting someones looks without showing what you look like yourself is silly I think. Anyway, I've played against a few skarners and they've carried 1v5 a couple times. Like literally fight us 1v5 and kill 3 of us. Kinda funny actually. Though it's a small sample size, I could see potential in him.
Though in those games the skarner had like 15 kills..
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On June 05 2014 02:31 Doctorbeat wrote:
Can Skarner lane?
Oh and what's going to be fotm?
What about Braummmm? He still good? I just bought him like 2 before patch hit.
Braum still stupid. Still gunna be perma banned status.
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Skarner lane was tried at release. The issue is that he lacks bursts and a gap closer (or at least his shield telegraphs that he's coming, and since he maxes it 2nd it's kinda easy to burst it and remove the MS buff (I think it persists now, but it's been nerfed and has to ramp up)), so even if he can outdamage you unless you let him freeze super close to his tower he has a hard time killing you.
Skarner's kinda weak early on (low-ish mana pool, dps somewhat low to begin with, etc.) and used to scale really, really well with farm (similar to Hecarim, who ate a bunch of W and ult nerfs to prevent him from becoming raid boss consistently in the late game), so putting him in lane was like "not much presence early on but good gank support thanks to Q permaslow, into sturdy fighter around level 11-13 when Q and W are maxed, into raid boss with high PB-AoE dps once he's really farmed".
Now that he doesn't really slow anymore and all of his skills but his ult have been nerfed...
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1: Skarner lane is bad because of mana problems (similar to top udyr now)
2: Skarner DPS is super high early game and one of the top clearers actually
his Q is like an extra auto hit every second hit and its also AoE and attack speed boost stacking frmo it on top
Seems they are making him do a lot more sustained dps with new passive but making his E even worse even though it's already the worst skill in the game, that's sort of weird.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Ive seen AP skarner top lane a few times in the past few months in soloQ
never seen it work well though
it seems kinda like an inferior version of AP xin tbh
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On June 05 2014 01:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 01:31 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 04 2014 23:54 IamPryda wrote:
I think singed is shit right now they really should revert the tenacity nerf to his ult and reduce the mana cost of fling at lvl 1/2. Adc's and mids just have to much mobility and since tp is needed no more lvl 2 singed all in cheese because no ignite. Tenacity is a really powerful stat to give to champions. Virtually every single champion that had built-in tenacity has been broken/op at some point in time since it makes playing against them so much harder. He just feels too crappy right now for my taste. Before if he got ahead in lane and cs'd well, he had awesome teamfight presence and a major annoyance. Now he gets ahead and he just gets obliterated by everything.
Maybe. But that's not due to the loss of tenacity on his ult. That has more to do with Riot slashing his innate armor gain by 40%.
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Right now maybe, but I'm talking about release Skarner, where your dps is pretty low when in 4s you're oom, and the AS buff was tied to his W. 
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