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Graves also does quite well vs lucian but in the end of the day you are still playing graves so not really worth lol.Luci best ad still definitely.
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mf doesn't seem terrible against lucian
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On June 03 2014 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. this post is ignorant as shit becaues skarners base stats are actually insane, running at people in a teamfight is what you do as a melee if you completely ignore all your skills such as the ridiculously powerful flash ult initaiting combo, and "you just spam your skills and then whoever is stronger wins 1v1" is the most fucking inane statement, because all it says is thatsomeone fucking wins in a 1 versus 1 what are you even trying to say imaginary temp ban Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 11:57 iCanada wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. This true yes, but he is also just bad. He has literally zero staying power. completely unbacked up statement followed with statement that makes no sense at all but is probably bad. Do you mean jungle sustain? because he's got one of the best clears and loses little hp and mana. imaginary temp ban Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 14:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't get why zyra keeps getting picked when she's so slow and squishy and they go pure AP on her. In b4 someone tries to explain by listing her strengths. setting up a loaded as shit question by presenting your view of her weaknesses and then passive agressively predicting that someone presents her strengths. zyra has retarded amounts of damage and CC. Support zyras often top damage done and if broken watch can carry with you a champion you know its fucking strong id imaginary temp ban you but you're a cool dude so ill let imaginary nepotism take control here
no they arent, skarner's base stats are awful for his given abilities/passive. euro trip
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The Lucian conversation is funny to me because i just bought lucian and tried him for the first time in normals. 15-5-15. I feel like I won't be able to play normal ADs anymore lol...
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On June 03 2014 07:44 Anakko wrote:
The Lucian conversation is funny to me because i just bought lucian and tried him for the first time in normals. 15-5-15. I feel like I won't be able to play normal ADs anymore lol...
Its ok riot might just give him the thresh treatment. Claim he's the new benchmark in order to keep him in his current broken state and only release new ads that are equally broken, while invalidating all previous ad carries. Works great for thresh so aught to work equally well for lucian!
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On June 03 2014 07:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. this post is ignorant as shit becaues skarners base stats are actually insane, running at people in a teamfight is what you do as a melee if you completely ignore all your skills such as the ridiculously powerful flash ult initaiting combo, and "you just spam your skills and then whoever is stronger wins 1v1" is the most fucking inane statement, because all it says is thatsomeone fucking wins in a 1 versus 1 what are you even trying to say imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 11:57 iCanada wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. This true yes, but he is also just bad. He has literally zero staying power. completely unbacked up statement followed with statement that makes no sense at all but is probably bad. Do you mean jungle sustain? because he's got one of the best clears and loses little hp and mana. imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 14:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't get why zyra keeps getting picked when she's so slow and squishy and they go pure AP on her. In b4 someone tries to explain by listing her strengths. setting up a loaded as shit question by presenting your view of her weaknesses and then passive agressively predicting that someone presents her strengths. zyra has retarded amounts of damage and CC. Support zyras often top damage done and if broken watch can carry with you a champion you know its fucking strong id imaginary temp ban you but you're a cool dude so ill let imaginary nepotism take control here no they arent, skarner's base stats are awful for his given abilities/passive. euro trip
"base stats for his abilities passive"???
you mean you are saying his passive/abilities are too weak then and not his base stats
at level 18 he is 7th in HP, 5th in armour and 1st in AD. He average only in attack speed.
you can claim he has a weak kit but its a whole different argument and to say his base stats are bad is just plain fucking wrong
the only way to make him noticeably better by improving his base stats would be to make him number 1 in everything and he's alreaedy pretty fucking close.
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Barrier/Ignite Nasus mid vs Akali. I'm watching a new meta in the making. '_'
Playing Ashe doesn't even feel that bad... till the enemy team feeds a Lee and they have bad map awareness so that you're defending a tower 2v4 several times with noone to cover for you (and your atrocious base MS). Welp.
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On June 03 2014 07:47 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 07:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 03 2014 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. this post is ignorant as shit becaues skarners base stats are actually insane, running at people in a teamfight is what you do as a melee if you completely ignore all your skills such as the ridiculously powerful flash ult initaiting combo, and "you just spam your skills and then whoever is stronger wins 1v1" is the most fucking inane statement, because all it says is thatsomeone fucking wins in a 1 versus 1 what are you even trying to say imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 11:57 iCanada wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. This true yes, but he is also just bad. He has literally zero staying power. completely unbacked up statement followed with statement that makes no sense at all but is probably bad. Do you mean jungle sustain? because he's got one of the best clears and loses little hp and mana. imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 14:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't get why zyra keeps getting picked when she's so slow and squishy and they go pure AP on her. In b4 someone tries to explain by listing her strengths. setting up a loaded as shit question by presenting your view of her weaknesses and then passive agressively predicting that someone presents her strengths. zyra has retarded amounts of damage and CC. Support zyras often top damage done and if broken watch can carry with you a champion you know its fucking strong id imaginary temp ban you but you're a cool dude so ill let imaginary nepotism take control here no they arent, skarner's base stats are awful for his given abilities/passive. euro trip "base stats for his abilities passive"??? you mean you are saying his passive/abilities are too weak then and not his base stats at level 18 he is 7th in HP, 5th in armour and 1st in AD. He average only in attack speed. you can claim he has a weak kit but its a whole different argument and to say his base stats are bad is just plain fucking wrong the only way to make him noticeably better by improving his base stats would be to make him number 1 in everything and he's alreaedy pretty fucking close.
yup everything is relative.
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The biggest issue with Lucian is that to me, he seems like a stronger Ezreal. Maybe not as many spammable abilities (Q spam with E blinking around and R being on like a 40s CD), but you get some very noticable power spikes with the items on him. Sceptre gives him sustain, BFS for lane bullying, BT for first teamfights, Sheen for another noticable spike, TF for Phage + Sheen passives in next few team fights, LW to counter the armor the enemy team builds. After that you can sorta build whatever. Personally I go for either BotRK (for tanky teams) or a defensive item (to survive enemy dives to you).
I think if I were to nerf him I'd hit the damage his double tap does, like the first shot doesn't do full damage to champs, but instead does 75% damage, with the second shot still dealing 50% damage.
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This lucian talk. I thought his ult was still for scratching your enemy's back when they're itchy
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On June 03 2014 07:51 Kinie wrote:
The biggest issue with Lucian is that to me, he seems like a stronger Ezreal. Maybe not as many spammable abilities (Q spam with E blinking around and R being on like a 40s CD), but you get some very noticable power spikes with the items on him. Sceptre gives him sustain, BFS for lane bullying, BT for first teamfights, Sheen for another noticable spike, TF for Phage + Sheen passives in next few team fights, LW to counter the armor the enemy team builds. After that you can sorta build whatever. Personally I go for either BotRK (for tanky teams) or a defensive item (to survive enemy dives to you).
And the fact that Sheen applies on his double tap passive is also a huge deal. I know at release it only applied on the first shot and I think it still does that, but I could be wrong.
I think if I were to nerf him I'd hit the damage his double tap does, like the first shot doesn't do full damage to champs, but instead does 75% damage, with the second shot still dealing 50% damage.
I'd say he's kinda like Corki with a better passive and a better ult, more mobile and safer.
Corki might have slighly more burst with finished trinity, but Lucian's still the best of the 2 by a large margin.
Did someone say power creep?
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Question about Lissandra's ult: when she uses it on herself, how does the damage work? I know the ice does damage and slows, but all it shows for her damage is 150/300/450. Does it just do that amount of damage one time when someone steps on the ice?
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On June 03 2014 07:49 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 07:47 Slayer91 wrote:On June 03 2014 07:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 03 2014 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. this post is ignorant as shit becaues skarners base stats are actually insane, running at people in a teamfight is what you do as a melee if you completely ignore all your skills such as the ridiculously powerful flash ult initaiting combo, and "you just spam your skills and then whoever is stronger wins 1v1" is the most fucking inane statement, because all it says is thatsomeone fucking wins in a 1 versus 1 what are you even trying to say imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 11:57 iCanada wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. This true yes, but he is also just bad. He has literally zero staying power. completely unbacked up statement followed with statement that makes no sense at all but is probably bad. Do you mean jungle sustain? because he's got one of the best clears and loses little hp and mana. imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 14:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't get why zyra keeps getting picked when she's so slow and squishy and they go pure AP on her. In b4 someone tries to explain by listing her strengths. setting up a loaded as shit question by presenting your view of her weaknesses and then passive agressively predicting that someone presents her strengths. zyra has retarded amounts of damage and CC. Support zyras often top damage done and if broken watch can carry with you a champion you know its fucking strong id imaginary temp ban you but you're a cool dude so ill let imaginary nepotism take control here no they arent, skarner's base stats are awful for his given abilities/passive. euro trip "base stats for his abilities passive"??? you mean you are saying his passive/abilities are too weak then and not his base stats at level 18 he is 7th in HP, 5th in armour and 1st in AD. He average only in attack speed. you can claim he has a weak kit but its a whole different argument and to say his base stats are bad is just plain fucking wrong the only way to make him noticeably better by improving his base stats would be to make him number 1 in everything and he's alreaedy pretty fucking close. yup everything is relative.
so basically every champ that you consider underpowered has base stats that aren't good enough for for the abilities?
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Man. It just occurred to me that both Samsung teams have great chance of winning WC.
The marketing team of Samsung probably came a little just thinking of the prospects of 5 Samsung skins. Unlike TPA or SKT, Samsung is a global brand. The implications of these skins are far greater than in previous years.
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On June 03 2014 07:49 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 07:47 Slayer91 wrote:On June 03 2014 07:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 03 2014 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. this post is ignorant as shit becaues skarners base stats are actually insane, running at people in a teamfight is what you do as a melee if you completely ignore all your skills such as the ridiculously powerful flash ult initaiting combo, and "you just spam your skills and then whoever is stronger wins 1v1" is the most fucking inane statement, because all it says is thatsomeone fucking wins in a 1 versus 1 what are you even trying to say imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 11:57 iCanada wrote:On June 02 2014 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
the skarner rework is a disaster not on a power level, its a disaster because they didnt even make him more fun to play, probably less fun to play. you still just spam all your skills and either are stronger then them or weaker then them and some one wins in 1v1. in a teamfight you run at the other team and die immediately because you have no ability to tank anything and your base stats suck dick in addition to that. This true yes, but he is also just bad. He has literally zero staying power. completely unbacked up statement followed with statement that makes no sense at all but is probably bad. Do you mean jungle sustain? because he's got one of the best clears and loses little hp and mana. imaginary temp ban On June 02 2014 14:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't get why zyra keeps getting picked when she's so slow and squishy and they go pure AP on her. In b4 someone tries to explain by listing her strengths. setting up a loaded as shit question by presenting your view of her weaknesses and then passive agressively predicting that someone presents her strengths. zyra has retarded amounts of damage and CC. Support zyras often top damage done and if broken watch can carry with you a champion you know its fucking strong id imaginary temp ban you but you're a cool dude so ill let imaginary nepotism take control here no they arent, skarner's base stats are awful for his given abilities/passive. euro trip "base stats for his abilities passive"??? you mean you are saying his passive/abilities are too weak then and not his base stats at level 18 he is 7th in HP, 5th in armour and 1st in AD. He average only in attack speed. you can claim he has a weak kit but its a whole different argument and to say his base stats are bad is just plain fucking wrong the only way to make him noticeably better by improving his base stats would be to make him number 1 in everything and he's alreaedy pretty fucking close. yup everything is relative.
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Champ in high %ile stats needs amazing skills. Clearly, that's the way to balance the game. Look at Riven, she has a very strong kit, yet this is made up for by the fact that some of her stats are asstastic.
Is Skarner in a good spot? Not really, but Riot has also said they aren't done with him yet.
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just need to make his e useful
its currently both the worst skillshot in terms of speed and range and the worst skill in the game so even if it manages to hit it basically does nothing
from my experience and watching scip id say skarner is one of the best junglers
kha/lee/eve/maybe elise are better but below that he's probably on par nearly with anyone depending on the comp
skarner being this good with essentially 3 skills says a lot though, imagine if he had xin E or something he'd be broken
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On June 03 2014 08:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Man. It just occurred to me that both Samsung teams have great chance of winning WC.
The marketing team of Samsung probably came a little just thinking of the prospects of 5 Samsung skins. Unlike TPA or SKT, Samsung is a global brand. The implications of these skins are far greater than in previous years.
Well dade can play TF and throw galaxy s5 at you.
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On June 03 2014 08:17 GolemMadness wrote:
Question about Lissandra's ult: when she uses it on herself, how does the damage work? I know the ice does damage and slows, but all it shows for her damage is 150/300/450. Does it just do that amount of damage one time when someone steps on the ice?
Yes. As soon as an enemy steps on the ice they take the full damage.
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Hecarim feels strong... once he's got his core of 2.5 items. :<
It's weird, he's got pretty good ganks early on (then again I picked him when their solo laners are Akali and Pantheon so once they commit I can rush in and they won't escape), and his ult still synergises pretty well with AoE if you aim it correctly, and both disrupt dashes too (E interrupts them, the Terrify (well now Terrify = Fear anyway, minus the MS buff on Fear) effects resumes as soon as the dash ends so no follow-up). Once he's tanky enough to withstand the initiation his W makes him absurdly durable.
His levels 7 to 13 (after his ult's powerspike but before he maxes W and gets Gauntlet+SV, basically) can be really painful though, you'd want to farm during that time period but that when the 2nd (and sometimes 3rd) dragon come up and towers are supposed to fall, so you're weak but supposed to fight. I need to play him more but I like actually contributing to teamfights even when a bit behind, contrary to ult bot Vi. I know the current meta's not exactly for him but if he fits my style it's up to me to make it work.
On June 03 2014 08:17 GolemMadness wrote:
Question about Lissandra's ult: when she uses it on herself, how does the damage work? I know the ice does damage and slows, but all it shows for her damage is 150/300/450. Does it just do that amount of damage one time when someone steps on the ice?
It's like Zyra's ult: the ice field spreads around the target of the ult, and as it touches people they take damage. I'm not sure if they take damage if they're out of range but walk in while it persists once spread, though.
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On June 03 2014 07:47 Alaric wrote:
Barrier/Ignite Nasus mid vs Akali. I'm watching a new meta in the making. '_'
Playing Ashe doesn't even feel that bad... till the enemy team feeds a Lee and they have bad map awareness so that you're defending a tower 2v4 several times with noone to cover for you (and your atrocious base MS). Welp.
I feel like, if Ashe was given a base MS boost it would go a long way to making her viable again. In the days of "very few champions have gap closers", Ashe's move speed makes a lot of sense given her range but now a days it doesn't cut it.
On June 03 2014 07:52 obesechicken13 wrote:
This lucian talk. I thought his ult was still for scratching your enemy's back when they're itchy
His ult does about as much DPS as auto attacking (Slightly Better than auto attacking if you have triforce due to the AP scaling). So its not ever "low damage" unless 3 seconds of auto attacks is "low damage". Since you tend to use your ult in situations where you won't be dealing DPS without it its very useful in keeping Lucian relevant at all points in a team fight.
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