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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
May 18 2014 21:44 GMT
#1701
Got my first quadra with MF. Our Annie hit the most glorious Tibbers ever and I just ulted on top of that. Too bad we still lost the game D:
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 18 2014 21:52 GMT
#1702
On May 19 2014 04:58 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:51 orzeu wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:41 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:40 orzeu wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Mithy was talking about it on stream, didn't mention name I think.
Also Wickd/Froggen is talking with Loco on stream. Is he their second analyst?

Froggen/loco as a duo would be unproductive. They'd just circlejerk over anime.
Or get into a waifu war between kanade and mikasa, both are equally poor outcomes for alliance.

Tabzz is anime kid too.

Afaik tabzz doesn't have a waifu though and waifus are a dead serious fucking business


wtf froggen has a waifu? Who is it?
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 18 2014 22:00 GMT
#1703
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=47190648#post47190648
Another shifting from the ded gaerm to the glorious master esport. Was this guy any good at SC2?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 18 2014 22:05 GMT
#1704
On May 19 2014 06:52 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:58 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:51 orzeu wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:41 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:40 orzeu wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Mithy was talking about it on stream, didn't mention name I think.
Also Wickd/Froggen is talking with Loco on stream. Is he their second analyst?

Froggen/loco as a duo would be unproductive. They'd just circlejerk over anime.
Or get into a waifu war between kanade and mikasa, both are equally poor outcomes for alliance.

Tabzz is anime kid too.

Afaik tabzz doesn't have a waifu though and waifus are a dead serious fucking business


wtf froggen has a waifu? Who is it?


I am also asking this question, it is veri important.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 22:09:54
May 18 2014 22:09 GMT
#1705
On May 19 2014 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=47190648#post47190648
Another shifting from the ded gaerm to the glorious master esport. Was this guy any good at SC2?

looks like a literally who.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 22:34:10
May 18 2014 22:27 GMT
#1706
Vi tends to make me sad. Her 1v1 potential is low, she doesn't bring much without her ult, and with the new batch of junglers brought with Flare she isn't even a quick farmer anymore. She's not that slow, but she doesn't really outspeeds anyone, and can't really invade (she's also meh until level 3 so buff to buff invades are pointless if the enemy isn't really slow, like WW without a good pull).

She's still clunky as hell, and it's really easy to miss Qs, or have them pass through someone when attacking or hit someone behind you when running away. She's underwhelming when she can't have the jump on someone because without charged Q her damage is actually meh, combined with the windup on her autos that make it not too easy to stutter-step efficiently.

Because she's so reliant on her Q and ult to do stuff she doesn't bring much to a fight unless your team is ahead/bursty enough to follow-up on an ult, or if she can't kill/zone someone she dives. Her dps relies on Denting Blows but she can't chase as effectively as someone like Noc/WW (MS buffs) or Xin (several cc without ult).

Since the nerf on her ult's cd, I just feel powerless most of the time because either we can 100-0 someone during my RQ combo, or if they live even with red buff she sucks really hard at chasing people (she can do it with Q but it takes huge distances, not ones you see in lane), and she can't take turrets fast either (W's buff depends on triggering the debuff, eg. hitting a unit). Without my ult? I can at best prevent a lane from dying by putting them both low wo everyone backs off.
Unless so ahead closing a game was only a detail, I don't remember the last time I actually used my ult to initiate a teamfight, rather than counter-initiate or peel.
I guess it's time I rotate her out of my jungle pool, as my Elo worsens people become really prone to fucking up before I can even reach their lane and needing to 100-0 people makes her really bad at ganking behind lanes.

Edit: actually, moving from the assassin meta to the cancer Heal meta certainly didn't help either. The combo with Flare just made things worse.


On an unrelated note, I just ate 3 crits from a level 2 Tryndamere in 4 autos. I was the jungler, and his fury bar wasn't even full. Not much you can do when a shitter gets blessed by the RNG gods, uh?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 18 2014 22:32 GMT
#1707
On May 19 2014 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=47190648#post47190648
Another shifting from the ded gaerm to the glorious master esport. Was this guy any good at SC2?


I like to think when I was more in SC2 I payed attention to ANY player that was remotely good, it's what caused me to notice TaeJa. That being said, WHO?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 18 2014 22:59 GMT
#1708
On May 19 2014 07:27 Alaric wrote:
Vi tends to make me sad. Her 1v1 potential is low, she doesn't bring much without her ult, and with the new batch of junglers brought with Flare she isn't even a quick farmer anymore. She's not that slow, but she doesn't really outspeeds anyone, and can't really invade (she's also meh until level 3 so buff to buff invades are pointless if the enemy isn't really slow, like WW without a good pull).

She's still clunky as hell, and it's really easy to miss Qs, or have them pass through someone when attacking or hit someone behind you when running away. She's underwhelming when she can't have the jump on someone because without charged Q her damage is actually meh, combined with the windup on her autos that make it not too easy to stutter-step efficiently.

Because she's so reliant on her Q and ult to do stuff she doesn't bring much to a fight unless your team is ahead/bursty enough to follow-up on an ult, or if she can't kill/zone someone she dives. Her dps relies on Denting Blows but she can't chase as effectively as someone like Noc/WW (MS buffs) or Xin (several cc without ult).

Since the nerf on her ult's cd, I just feel powerless most of the time because either we can 100-0 someone during my RQ combo, or if they live even with red buff she sucks really hard at chasing people (she can do it with Q but it takes huge distances, not ones you see in lane), and she can't take turrets fast either (W's buff depends on triggering the debuff, eg. hitting a unit). Without my ult? I can at best prevent a lane from dying by putting them both low wo everyone backs off.
Unless so ahead closing a game was only a detail, I don't remember the last time I actually used my ult to initiate a teamfight, rather than counter-initiate or peel.
I guess it's time I rotate her out of my jungle pool, as my Elo worsens people become really prone to fucking up before I can even reach their lane and needing to 100-0 people makes her really bad at ganking behind lanes.

Edit: actually, moving from the assassin meta to the cancer Heal meta certainly didn't help either. The combo with Flare just made things worse.


On an unrelated note, I just ate 3 crits from a level 2 Tryndamere in 4 autos. I was the jungler, and his fury bar wasn't even full. Not much you can do when a shitter gets blessed by the RNG gods, uh?

Right now Vi is only good for countergank, and because of the nature of countergank, you cannot be everywhere at the right time. Using her Q for ganking is hard because the enemy can either outrun you or cc you to cancel it, and without the damage from Q, she can't do anything. Her ultimate is the only solid one for ganking and initiation, but since the nerf, it's getting harder for her to do anything.

And I don't know if it's just bug or not, but since the patch, the Q often goes through the enemy. I missed so many kills because of it.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 18 2014 23:03 GMT
#1709
On May 19 2014 07:27 Alaric wrote:
Vi tends to make me sad. Her 1v1 potential is low, she doesn't bring much without her ult, and with the new batch of junglers brought with Flare she isn't even a quick farmer anymore. She's not that slow, but she doesn't really outspeeds anyone, and can't really invade (she's also meh until level 3 so buff to buff invades are pointless if the enemy isn't really slow, like WW without a good pull).

She's still clunky as hell, and it's really easy to miss Qs, or have them pass through someone when attacking or hit someone behind you when running away. She's underwhelming when she can't have the jump on someone because without charged Q her damage is actually meh, combined with the windup on her autos that make it not too easy to stutter-step efficiently.

Because she's so reliant on her Q and ult to do stuff she doesn't bring much to a fight unless your team is ahead/bursty enough to follow-up on an ult, or if she can't kill/zone someone she dives. Her dps relies on Denting Blows but she can't chase as effectively as someone like Noc/WW (MS buffs) or Xin (several cc without ult).

Since the nerf on her ult's cd, I just feel powerless most of the time because either we can 100-0 someone during my RQ combo, or if they live even with red buff she sucks really hard at chasing people (she can do it with Q but it takes huge distances, not ones you see in lane), and she can't take turrets fast either (W's buff depends on triggering the debuff, eg. hitting a unit). Without my ult? I can at best prevent a lane from dying by putting them both low wo everyone backs off.
Unless so ahead closing a game was only a detail, I don't remember the last time I actually used my ult to initiate a teamfight, rather than counter-initiate or peel.
I guess it's time I rotate her out of my jungle pool, as my Elo worsens people become really prone to fucking up before I can even reach their lane and needing to 100-0 people makes her really bad at ganking behind lanes.

Edit: actually, moving from the assassin meta to the cancer Heal meta certainly didn't help either. The combo with Flare just made things worse.


On an unrelated note, I just ate 3 crits from a level 2 Tryndamere in 4 autos. I was the jungler, and his fury bar wasn't even full. Not much you can do when a shitter gets blessed by the RNG gods, uh?

Vi really just got pushed out of top tier because if you are not going feral you need someone to make an impact early game and vi really only is strong 6-11. Kha6/lee/ Elise just much better choice. Right now vi is really only good with certain comps or if u need lockdown on a champ like nidalee or want to pair her with yasuo.
Moar banelings less qq
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 23:29:41
May 18 2014 23:15 GMT
#1710
I wouldn't be able to say about the Q, but I did notice it going through enemies. Then again, I've noticed delays on my abilities several times so maybe the graphics are out of synch and I actually missed them.

The hitbox of her Q though is there from day 1, when she sometimes doesn't hit people that her model does, or when people behind (or sometimes to the side of) you interrupt your Q the same as if you had actually hit them (which lets someone knowing about it stop Vi from running away simply by sticking close enough behind her during the chase).
Her R also has issues where she can get cc'd between the dash and the uppercut (I've only seen displacements do it), and you can also flash when that happens so she does the animation where you were, but you're cc'd where your flash put you (especially annoying because you can't then follow-up with a Q to prevent the target from dashing away). I haven't seen it happen very often though.

Her passive doesn't help her much when behind either because the animation of her spells mean she loses terrain to trigger it, and their wind-up also mean what happens often is that you do your spell and die before the shield actually appears. It's triggered by damage, and her E has some wind-up (when she reels her fists), while her Q actually damages pretty late (I was able to Q a WW while he was ulting me this way... what) so it's "easy" to have something similar to what happened with Eve (and still does with Lulu, although at least most of the time the target dies during the animation but the ult doesn't go on cd).


As for counterganks she's just not mobile enough anymore compared to others. If you can't gank at level 3 she's actually somewhat slow, gets outscaled hard in terms of kit quality, and she doesn't like 2v2s because that means even more chances to interrupts her Q charge (delaying it by 4.5s, 3s delay + 1.5s charging).
As I mentioned once, even Sejuani beats Vi if Vi can't jump her with a fully charged Q. Her kit is just that weak because of how it's loaded toward her ult and Q, and none of them are really good if her team isn't ahead. When you end up so depending on your teammates it gets really bad.


Today 4 games with a dc or leaver on my side, one with one on the enemy team. ._.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 19 2014 00:03 GMT
#1711
Not directly League news, but I think this qualifies as not quite off topic
YouTube to acquire Twitch.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 19 2014 00:07 GMT
#1712
well, azubu is screwed then.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 19 2014 00:11 GMT
#1713
Youtube's streaming service is actually pretty cool since it has built in rewind, but I end up watching Twitch because there is delay on Youtube and it makes the LR threads have a less interactive feel.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 19 2014 00:21 GMT
#1714
--- Nuked ---
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 19 2014 00:24 GMT
#1715
On May 19 2014 09:03 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not directly League news, but I think this qualifies as not quite off topic
YouTube to acquire Twitch.


MLG has its own streaming service?
Freeeeeeedom
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 19 2014 00:25 GMT
#1716
On May 19 2014 09:24 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 09:03 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not directly League news, but I think this qualifies as not quite off topic
YouTube to acquire Twitch.


MLG has its own streaming service?

Yeah. It's okay. They've had some recent Smash Bros qualifiers on it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 19 2014 00:29 GMT
#1717
Some of the reddit comments raised a few points though, like does this mean twitch is now covered by youtubes copyright stuff?

Channels getting shut down after random reports, noone allowed to use music at all ever, etc etc

On the whole it sounds like good news though, especially if they finally get to use a decent vod system/player
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 19 2014 00:35 GMT
#1718
On May 19 2014 09:29 killerdog wrote:
Some of the reddit comments raised a few points though, like does this mean twitch is now covered by youtubes copyright stuff?

Channels getting shut down after random reports, noone allowed to use music at all ever, etc etc

On the whole it sounds like good news though, especially if they finally get to use a decent vod system/player


Tbh I think it's a borderline miracle Twitch streams have been able to get away with playing copyrighted music for so long. Figured that would have become an issue when Twitch started becoming more mainstream.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 00:40:47
May 19 2014 00:37 GMT
#1719
On May 19 2014 09:21 krndandaman wrote:
as long as they don't try to force google plus onto us im ok.

Such naivete.

Also looks like TSM are about to start their LCS fantasy draft. I hope TOO streams it. Edit: he does o/ Banter inc.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 19 2014 00:49 GMT
#1720
On May 19 2014 09:21 krndandaman wrote:
as long as they don't try to force google plus onto us im ok.

They may let us upvote/downvote twitchchat.
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