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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 18 2014 18:45 GMT
#1681
Oh man NiP's sieging looks horrible. That team just keeps giving me headaches, they'll probably win CS but I wonder how well will they do in promo.

Also their comps keep reminding me of when TSM and Crs tried to force the whole "we're not playing toplane and midlane we're just sololaners with different champion pools". I know Alex and Nukeduck are better players than Voy/Quas and Reginaldo/Dyrone, but KR and CN don't really do it.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 18 2014 18:48 GMT
#1682
TSM didn't really do that, it was just manipulating the rules to let reginaldo call for shots from first pick.
I do agree about alex's pool, he's only played lulu and kayle pretty much in all of his NiP matches but I'll wait until the CS to start he may be hiding champs like jax and shyvana.
Glorious SEA doto
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 18:53:34
May 18 2014 18:50 GMT
#1683
On May 19 2014 02:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 20:19 GolemMadness wrote:
On May 18 2014 18:44 obesechicken13 wrote:
Runaan's Kayle just has higher AoE dps, her single target dps is actually lower.

Personally I feel like Kayle is much weaker than when she was when I first started playing her. She has lower range on W and R, and lower ratios and her items aren't exactly better. She doesn't get scaling mr with levels anymore. All for some worthless mana buffs and some minor heal buffs.

AP Kayle and On hit scale both have mediocre late game damage scaling and Kayle's laning top isn't great because she's not a great duelist compared to many of the melee champs. I stopped playing Kayle because she was just so easy to bully top and mid. I'm kind of surprised everyone's still playing her. Late game it's so hard to dodge everything and position yourself to be safely making use of your dps.

I've probably done as much math analysis on Kayle builds as anyone and I just don't think she's viable with this Korean build. I'd much rather see full on hit builds to carry the mid game or AD builds with boots of lucidity.

On May 18 2014 17:43 Fusilero wrote:
On May 18 2014 17:39 mr_tolkien wrote:
On May 18 2014 17:32 Fusilero wrote:
So what I can gather the new kayle build is basically an AP ADC.
That sounded retarded but you get what I mean

Yeah because ADC don't build AD but AS, Crit, Armor Pen, and some AD.

She's just a magical ranged DPS hero with this build, like cait is a physical ranged DPS hero.

Not if riot brings back spell crit :>

When was this ever a thing to begin with? lol


Not to be rude, but it really just sounds like you're not good with Kayle. She's a very common pick/ban in challenger, and the hurricane build is being used at the highest levels of solo queue as well. It's ridiculous to say that it's not viable, or that you're surprised that people are still playing her. That'd be like me saying "I always lose with Jax, so I find it weird that people are still playing him."

Also, AD builds? What?

I'm definitely not very good. Silver 1 at the highest, but I've tried Runaan's builds and not liked them.

Maybe pros just farm faster and get to her late game or pick her into assassins.


I don't know man... I'm far from being pro and I'm fucking terrible at maths, but trust me this Runaan build is pretty fucking legit, and this comes from a guy with almost 400 kayle games this season already, so i've tried quite a few builds

I do hate that it came to be so well known though, cause I'll get Kayle bans / picks before me again, which I haven't missed :[
I got five reasons for you to shut up
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 18 2014 18:52 GMT
#1684
On May 19 2014 03:48 Fusilero wrote:
TSM didn't really do that, it was just manipulating the rules to let reginaldo call for shots from first pick.
I do agree about alex's pool, he's only played lulu and kayle pretty much in all of his NiP matches but I'll wait until the CS to start he may be hiding champs like jax and shyvana.

Dyrus played some weird champs like Karthus, wasn't there something more?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 18:57:10
May 18 2014 18:54 GMT
#1685
On May 19 2014 03:52 AlterKot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 03:48 Fusilero wrote:
TSM didn't really do that, it was just manipulating the rules to let reginaldo call for shots from first pick.
I do agree about alex's pool, he's only played lulu and kayle pretty much in all of his NiP matches but I'll wait until the CS to start he may be hiding champs like jax and shyvana.

Dyrus played some weird champs like Karthus, wasn't there something more?

Karthus top is pretty much the sole case, besides that dyrus stuck to the standard S3 fare of shen/renekton/shen/renekton and to spice it up shen or renekton.
He also took jayce and rumble I guess
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 18 2014 18:58 GMT
#1686
this reminds me of the old Rincent top kayle IE rush lol
Carrilord has arrived.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
May 18 2014 19:28 GMT
#1687
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 18 2014 19:31 GMT
#1688
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?
Glorious SEA doto
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
May 18 2014 19:38 GMT
#1689
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Nice one
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
May 18 2014 19:40 GMT
#1690
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Mithy was talking about it on stream, didn't mention name I think.
Also Wickd/Froggen is talking with Loco on stream. Is he their second analyst?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 19:42:01
May 18 2014 19:41 GMT
#1691
On May 19 2014 04:40 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Mithy was talking about it on stream, didn't mention name I think.
Also Wickd/Froggen is talking with Loco on stream. Is he their second analyst?

Froggen/loco as a duo would be unproductive. They'd just circlejerk over anime.
Or get into a waifu war between kanade and mikasa, both are equally poor outcomes for alliance.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 18 2014 19:44 GMT
#1692
On May 19 2014 02:30 MoonBear wrote:
Braum seems to be what I thought he'd be reading his notes then. In some ways though with melee range supports I get the impression you want them to be above average in order for them to be viable since the range disadvantage is pretty big.

As for the scrim idk. You could argue that maybe they're getting used to each other or they knew it would be recorded so aren't showing stuff off. But still not tryharding in scrims does seem wasteful.

I remember on S.I., Monte said that CLG vs LMQ scrims are hard to judge because Doublelift and Vasili will often just go full ego and duel each other nonstop.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
May 18 2014 19:51 GMT
#1693
On May 19 2014 04:41 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:40 orzeu wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Mithy was talking about it on stream, didn't mention name I think.
Also Wickd/Froggen is talking with Loco on stream. Is he their second analyst?

Froggen/loco as a duo would be unproductive. They'd just circlejerk over anime.
Or get into a waifu war between kanade and mikasa, both are equally poor outcomes for alliance.

Tabzz is anime kid too.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 19:59:00
May 18 2014 19:58 GMT
#1694
On May 19 2014 04:51 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 04:41 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:40 orzeu wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
On May 19 2014 04:28 orzeu wrote:
NiP getting analyst from Taiwan or some shit, so that may help them. They really need to change that retarded play style.

Taiwanese analyst, mistake?

Mithy was talking about it on stream, didn't mention name I think.
Also Wickd/Froggen is talking with Loco on stream. Is he their second analyst?

Froggen/loco as a duo would be unproductive. They'd just circlejerk over anime.
Or get into a waifu war between kanade and mikasa, both are equally poor outcomes for alliance.

Tabzz is anime kid too.

Afaik tabzz doesn't have a waifu though and waifus are a dead serious fucking business
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 18 2014 20:04 GMT
#1695
Hearing about Admiral Azingy reminds me that the General has retired. ;_;7
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 18 2014 20:05 GMT
#1696
Loco Alliance Analyst seems interesting, seems kinda tough with timezones though but I guess they can work around it. Wonder what happened to his college plans after his vlog where he said that he's done with league.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
May 18 2014 20:23 GMT
#1697
is sunfire cape supposed to continue working on your corpse after you die? pretty sure i just got 2 cs while either in base or dead when 2 creeps walked over my corpse.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
May 18 2014 20:30 GMT
#1698
Karthus sunfire new fotm
I got five reasons for you to shut up
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 18 2014 20:40 GMT
#1699


I guess he's just one of the candidates and people on reddit are saying he's a confirmed analysist?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Ballsdeep or afk
Profile Joined November 2013
Great Britain31 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 21:20:41
May 18 2014 20:48 GMT
#1700
Did na just die or did our game get drophacked cause normally it goes to firewall bug then game does not exist but this game is just reconnecting but its everyone on my team at least.

nvm it was drop hack not even in a ranked game how sad
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