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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 25 2014 03:22 GMT
#821
yeah actually the ff nerf was very effective, i just don't think that getting elder lizard instead is going to magically turn master yi into an early game presence that is going to keep your lanes from losing.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 03:28:23
April 25 2014 03:27 GMT
#822
FF is effective if you can prolong the laning phrase. Pushing the ff finishing time close to 20min when laning phrase is about/already over dramatically reduce the its effectiveness. FF junglers are strong in skirmish such as 1v1, 2v2, so when laning phrase is over and team starts to group up, you can't really pick off or gank people anymore. Moreover, it's harder for you to gain stacks(since you have to share camp),
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
April 25 2014 03:39 GMT
#823
Those extra 5 creeps are actually huge. You just get less and less time to farm those creeps as the game goes on because there's other shit to deal with.
Retvrn to Forvms
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 25 2014 03:48 GMT
#824
seems like between 1-3 armor quints and hp seals (with 2 armor quints probably the most common) is what both supports and ADCs in korea are running now. i definitely thought it was odd that they left the quints at such a high relative value when they nerfed armor seals.
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 04:19:28
April 25 2014 04:08 GMT
#825
On April 25 2014 00:15 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 00:05 arb wrote:
On April 25 2014 00:00 chalice wrote:
damn you guys are really fixated on this lastshadow guy, i said that he MAY have been the source of something i read months ago and there are like 20 posts focusing on nothing but discrediting him.

the travel time from base to baron was just a hypothetical use of math/timing based coaching/preparation that i thought of at like 3am, not a specific claim made by anyone. like when KT is doing a 2 man baron at 25 minutes do you really think that they don't have a very good approximation of how much time the other 3 members need to stall the other team and exactly when they should join them in the baron pit to finish him off before the other team can react?

if korean coaching staffs aren't doing a ton of math and timing grunt work for the pro players, what exactly are you claiming that their role is?

He is basically a cheating(yes he did cheat) map rigging over egotistical player who should just be forgotten and should have never been unbanned here in the first place

but what the fuck does that have to do korean coaching infrastructure?


It has nothing to do it with. They're really emotionally disturbed/unhappy people who care so much about what someone did when they were a teenager and have spent 0 time ever talking to them at all in the last 3years. Coach 명원 of Ozone works on the maths/timings. He goes over using files/in-house giant whiteboard with the players timings w/ sticky notes. Coach 임현석 goes over picks/bans and also used to study other peoples habits/replays he could get from op.gg etc. The head coach of Samsung (former Head-coach of SC2) works on basically keeping them disciplined/in-line etc during scrims. They also now have two other coaches strictly for other stuff I believe.

If you people really think that a country who is so top heavy on winning and whose sponsors are shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars, aren't going to have coaches who before going into a tournament match goes over math/damage output at *important* levels (laning phase/mid game) then idk what to say. Their lives depend on winning. If winning means memorizing a small amount of damage so you can click an avatar and go 'Oh I can kill him here' is hard, then I guess people think memorizing the math times table was hard in elementary school. If you're only playing 5-8 champs, it's not hard to memorize "My E-Q at this level does X against X Armor/MR value". Dandy used to do stuff on his own, going into single-player w/ different masteries/rune sheets and timing his clear times differently. He'd only do this for like 3-4 champions since he knew that would be all he would be picking/playing in the tournament. Doing this math probably isn't important 100% of the time.

edit - for the non-so-toxic people, I've said many times I'm not *currently d1* I hit it on stream before going back to USA for the emergency lung-treatment for 6weeks(early february). I played some placements prior (soft-reset) then some games. While in America I didn't want to the decay to affect it entirely (going into gold) so I let a Korean friend use the ID to prevent that a bit, he didn't do very well but oh well. I came back and HoTS got released so I played that non-stop. I just started playing league about 1.5weeks ago or so again after the HoTS wipe, so the only ID's I have that *mine* are D5/p1/p4/g1/g3/s4 . Gonna take me a while to get back, I'm learning new champs/new lane and yes I'm quite bad in current shape, no denying that. Also never said I'd play in LCS ever, said I got invite from coke-league team. I'd be bad in LCS, but maybe if given time could do well (2-3months) I don't know, it's my opinion.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
April 25 2014 04:12 GMT
#826
On April 25 2014 12:48 chalice wrote:
seems like between 1-3 armor quints and hp seals (with 2 armor quints probably the most common) is what both supports and ADCs in korea are running now. i definitely thought it was odd that they left the quints at such a high relative value when they nerfed armor seals.

Phreak talked about it in that video that was posted a while back. Armour quints weren't touched, so it's now much more effective to run health seals and armour quints if supporting. Depending on which support you were, you might take an AP quint or two as well.

Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 25 2014 04:22 GMT
#827
On April 25 2014 08:38 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 07:58 Gahlo wrote:
On April 25 2014 07:50 killerdog wrote:
On April 25 2014 07:34 Miefer wrote:
with the upcoming football world cup, it would be nice to see some kind of lol world cup, where u nominate ur national teams like last years all stars.

murica would look like this:
Top: Balls
Jungle: Meteos
Mid: Hai
Ad: Doublelift
Sup: Aphro

Germany something like:
Top: Kevin
Jungle: Dexter
Mid: Forellenlord
AD: Candypanda
Sup: Nyph/nRated

Didnt follow Korea so much, so no idea who I would nominate


Denmark ftw

Top: zorozero/(wickd)
Jungle: svenskeren
Mid: bjergsen (froggen/jesiz)
Ad: MrRallez
Sup: err, fk. Pull deficio out of retirement? (or just froggen blitzcrank :D)

Don't see why not, you already have 1 person that isn't making it into the LCS.

Just mad cus a country with <2% NA's population, has a better team :D

come at us

+ Show Spoiler +
nationalism is fun

Jokes on you, my ethnicity is Dane.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 05:20:01
April 25 2014 05:17 GMT
#828
If your team lose lane earlier you lose a lot of map pressure meaning less time to farm jungle. The nerf hits were pretty significant. Also the price increase also means slower purchase time, affecting the clear speed of not having wriggles as early.
liftlift > tsm
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 25 2014 05:49 GMT
#829
On April 25 2014 13:08 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 00:15 chalice wrote:
On April 25 2014 00:05 arb wrote:
On April 25 2014 00:00 chalice wrote:
damn you guys are really fixated on this lastshadow guy, i said that he MAY have been the source of something i read months ago and there are like 20 posts focusing on nothing but discrediting him.

the travel time from base to baron was just a hypothetical use of math/timing based coaching/preparation that i thought of at like 3am, not a specific claim made by anyone. like when KT is doing a 2 man baron at 25 minutes do you really think that they don't have a very good approximation of how much time the other 3 members need to stall the other team and exactly when they should join them in the baron pit to finish him off before the other team can react?

if korean coaching staffs aren't doing a ton of math and timing grunt work for the pro players, what exactly are you claiming that their role is?

He is basically a cheating(yes he did cheat) map rigging over egotistical player who should just be forgotten and should have never been unbanned here in the first place

but what the fuck does that have to do korean coaching infrastructure?


It has nothing to do it with. They're really emotionally disturbed/unhappy people who care so much about what someone did when they were a teenager and have spent 0 time ever talking to them at all in the last 3years. Coach 명원 of Ozone works on the maths/timings. He goes over using files/in-house giant whiteboard with the players timings w/ sticky notes. Coach 임현석 goes over picks/bans and also used to study other peoples habits/replays he could get from op.gg etc. The head coach of Samsung (former Head-coach of SC2) works on basically keeping them disciplined/in-line etc during scrims. They also now have two other coaches strictly for other stuff I believe.

If you people really think that a country who is so top heavy on winning and whose sponsors are shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars, aren't going to have coaches who before going into a tournament match goes over math/damage output at *important* levels (laning phase/mid game) then idk what to say. Their lives depend on winning. If winning means memorizing a small amount of damage so you can click an avatar and go 'Oh I can kill him here' is hard, then I guess people think memorizing the math times table was hard in elementary school. If you're only playing 5-8 champs, it's not hard to memorize "My E-Q at this level does X against X Armor/MR value". Dandy used to do stuff on his own, going into single-player w/ different masteries/rune sheets and timing his clear times differently. He'd only do this for like 3-4 champions since he knew that would be all he would be picking/playing in the tournament. Doing this math probably isn't important 100% of the time.

edit - for the non-so-toxic people, I've said many times I'm not *currently d1* I hit it on stream before going back to USA for the emergency lung-treatment for 6weeks(early february). I played some placements prior (soft-reset) then some games. While in America I didn't want to the decay to affect it entirely (going into gold) so I let a Korean friend use the ID to prevent that a bit, he didn't do very well but oh well. I came back and HoTS got released so I played that non-stop. I just started playing league about 1.5weeks ago or so again after the HoTS wipe, so the only ID's I have that *mine* are D5/p1/p4/g1/g3/s4 . Gonna take me a while to get back, I'm learning new champs/new lane and yes I'm quite bad in current shape, no denying that. Also never said I'd play in LCS ever, said I got invite from coke-league team. I'd be bad in LCS, but maybe if given time could do well (2-3months) I don't know, it's my opinion.


If you haven't been diamond 1 in over a year then you shouldn't advertise yourself as "Diamond 1 Korea server".
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
April 25 2014 06:02 GMT
#830
It's been 2months-ish, not 1year.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 25 2014 06:05 GMT
#831
Ok, kind of confusing since you said it was before HotS got released.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 25 2014 06:10 GMT
#832
Just a note, the double IP weekend thing started already.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 06:17:21
April 25 2014 06:11 GMT
#833
I want Braum so badly. Also Dragonslayer Pantheon, pretty please. I can't wait. Take my money Rito.

Also reading Twitter today I've seen coL.SupportDady tweet saying that CLG Zorozero is confirmed already.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 25 2014 06:23 GMT
#834
On April 25 2014 15:11 739 wrote:
I want Braum so badly. Also Dragonslayer Pantheon, pretty please. I can't wait. Take my money Rito.

Also reading Twitter today I've seen coL.SupportDady tweet saying that CLG Zorozero is confirmed already.

with the dexter's success in NA and his connection to NIP along with zorozero being considered the best non-lcs western top laner it almost makes too much sense not to happen.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 25 2014 06:25 GMT
#835
On April 25 2014 15:23 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 15:11 739 wrote:
I want Braum so badly. Also Dragonslayer Pantheon, pretty please. I can't wait. Take my money Rito.

Also reading Twitter today I've seen coL.SupportDady tweet saying that CLG Zorozero is confirmed already.

with the dexter's success in NA and his connection to NIP along with zorozero being considered the best non-lcs western top laner it almost makes too much sense not to happen.

you would think that's the logical move, but remember, this is COUNTER LOGIC GAMING we're talking about here.
CLG. Mithy
liftlift > tsm
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 25 2014 06:33 GMT
#836
On April 25 2014 09:19 Fusilero wrote:
United Kingdom:
Jungle: Snoopeh
Jungle: Shacker
Jungle: Impaler
Top: Freddy122
We're uuuh, lacking in the non-jungle department


you're extremely lacking in general lol haha I always wondered why britain is so bad at pc gaming, isn't console gaming popular similar like in the states?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 25 2014 06:35 GMT
#837
On April 25 2014 15:05 GolemMadness wrote:
Ok, kind of confusing since you said it was before HotS got released.


Heroes of the Storm (yay good job choosing abbreviations blizzard!)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 25 2014 06:39 GMT
#838
One thing about the jungle items that I don't really understand is this emphasis on the "big monster". I mean, smite stealing red, blue, dragon, and baron is already pretty strong/sometimes crushing.

Perhaps someone can explain, what my current state (admittedly compromised by booze, thank god for Fridays!) feels is a Riot-smite-steal-fetish.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 25 2014 06:56 GMT
#839
On April 25 2014 15:39 cLutZ wrote:
One thing about the jungle items that I don't really understand is this emphasis on the "big monster". I mean, smite stealing red, blue, dragon, and baron is already pretty strong/sometimes crushing.

Perhaps someone can explain, what my current state (admittedly compromised by booze, thank god for Fridays!) feels is a Riot-smite-steal-fetish.

It's to reward counter jungling without forcing you to stick around forever.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 25 2014 06:58 GMT
#840
Yea! But arent all of the strong counterjunglers already strong!?
Freeeeeeedom
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