• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:23
CEST 10:23
KST 17:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues25LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers?
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1299 users

[Patch 4.6] Twitch VU General Discussion - Page 24

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 146 Next
Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 23 2014 14:32 GMT
#461
I don't think the definitions of viable and optimal are the same.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
April 23 2014 14:32 GMT
#462
Kind of surprised how good the new animations and voiceovers for Twitch feel. I'm going to miss fat rat though. :/
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 14:34:56
April 23 2014 14:33 GMT
#463
optimal is the best in that particular scenario
in my own understanding of what "viable" is, there has to exist (a sufficient amount of) those scenarios

I quoted myself there because everyone who commented after me had the balls to not elaborate on what they mean by "viable" which is what this discussion eventually boils down to anyway
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 14:36:29
April 23 2014 14:36 GMT
#464
I feel like we bicker over what viable means every three weeks or so.

And by we I mean not me.
TranslatorBaa!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 23 2014 14:39 GMT
#465
In other news, people are starting to take the Feast mastery more often and it makes me sad.

People should remain stupid forever so that I have an advantage over them.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
April 23 2014 14:47 GMT
#466
On April 23 2014 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I feel like we bicker over what viable means every three weeks or so.

And by we I mean not me.

That's because every 3 weeks or so someone always emerges out of the woods screaming "amg doodz here did you know THIS CHAMPION FAVOURITE OF MINE is VIABLE in semi-civilized manner.
That by itself is not a problem, but when these people get told that their champion essentially sucks because he both doesn't do anything well AND there's a champ who does everything better the person makes a variation of the following statement:
"yeah that's true, but that doesn't change that this champ isn't VIABLE, maybe not at the highest level of ranked play but he's still viable"
and the moment anyone says anything remotely like that their soul will be forever thrown into the icy abyss hell of Kokytos, where they will endure torture and slow transformation into a terrible demon whose beauty and penis size are inversely proportional to their contributions to discussions.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
siri
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal129 Posts
April 23 2014 14:48 GMT
#467
Sorry for the offtopic but im looking for some d1 maybe d2 adc main to premade with to reach challenger, anyone knows how i can find someone?

i feel i can reach it without it, but it would be alot faster and easier if i had a consistent adc to team up with.

Maybe in some irc channel or something? Reddit community seems large, how can i ask there? (was never a fan of reddit)

Really sorry for the offtopic, just a frustrated yoloq player. I main support at d1 Thank you.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
April 23 2014 14:49 GMT
#468
On April 23 2014 23:39 Ketara wrote:
In other news, people are starting to take the Feast mastery more often and it makes me sad.

People should remain stupid forever so that I have an advantage over them.


Yeah OK that mastery point blows lol.
TranslatorBaa!
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
April 23 2014 14:51 GMT
#469
On April 23 2014 22:42 Ketara wrote:
Personally I think if duo mid was more of a thing, Blitzcrank would be more viable.

I think ADC + Blitzcrank with Smite mid is severely underused. A good ranked 5's team can go really far abusing his ability to repeatedly hook buffs. Smite means you have no combat summoner but in theory should add a tremendous amount of lane pressure because of the potential for a smitegrab.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 23 2014 14:54 GMT
#470
On April 23 2014 23:47 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I feel like we bicker over what viable means every three weeks or so.

And by we I mean not me.

and the moment anyone says anything remotely like that their soul will be forever thrown into the icy abyss hell of Kokytos, where they will endure torture and slow transformation into a terrible demon whose beauty and penis size are inversely proportional to their contributions to discussions.

Bronze player stuck in platinum
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 14:57:21
April 23 2014 14:54 GMT
#471
I still think the Recovery mastery blows, I see a bunch of junglers like Diamondprox take it all the time over tough skin. You get a potion every 6.25 minutes....
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
siri
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal129 Posts
April 23 2014 14:54 GMT
#472
On April 23 2014 23:51 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 22:42 Ketara wrote:
Personally I think if duo mid was more of a thing, Blitzcrank would be more viable.

I think ADC + Blitzcrank with Smite mid is severely underused. A good ranked 5's team can go really far abusing his ability to repeatedly hook buffs. Smite means you have no combat summoner but in theory should add a tremendous amount of lane pressure because of the potential for a smitegrab.


not to mention that since blitz already has smite, your jungle can have ignite/exaust/ghost for even better ganks

i try this one but on morgana, since at level 18 because of her passive smite becomes a 200 heal :b

but on blitz would be better since hook and smite minion who is in front is op!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 15:16:30
April 23 2014 15:15 GMT
#473
On April 23 2014 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 23:39 Ketara wrote:
In other news, people are starting to take the Feast mastery more often and it makes me sad.

People should remain stupid forever so that I have an advantage over them.


Yeah OK that mastery point blows lol.


You sir, are stupid.

The Feast mastery is blatantly overpowered.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 15:18:04
April 23 2014 15:17 GMT
#474
On April 24 2014 00:15 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On April 23 2014 23:39 Ketara wrote:
In other news, people are starting to take the Feast mastery more often and it makes me sad.

People should remain stupid forever so that I have an advantage over them.


Yeah OK that mastery point blows lol.


You sir, are stupid.

The Feast mastery is blatantly overpowered.


It's functionally 2 health potions spread over 12+ minutes instead of 30 seconds.
TranslatorBaa!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 15:21:38
April 23 2014 15:20 GMT
#475
How is that not overpowered?

If you CS perfectly it gives you 3.15 HP/5 and 1.05 MP/5, for 1 mastery point.

It takes more than 4 mastery points to get that amount of regen from the defense/utility trees.

It's a pretty overpowered mastery.


Put another way, if you're looking at the initial laning phase, it's basically like starting the game with an extra potion. If one laner has Feast and the other doesn't, that's often enough to win the lane right there.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
siri
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal129 Posts
April 23 2014 15:24 GMT
#476
On April 24 2014 00:15 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On April 23 2014 23:39 Ketara wrote:
In other news, people are starting to take the Feast mastery more often and it makes me sad.

People should remain stupid forever so that I have an advantage over them.


Yeah OK that mastery point blows lol.


You sir, are stupid.

The Feast mastery is blatantly overpowered.



yeah.. for just one point, if you last hit all minions in lane, its 38 hp per minute plus around 13 mana.

Recovery only gives you 24 hp per minute and you have to put 2 points on hit.

Its pretty good
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 15:29:18
April 23 2014 15:25 GMT
#477
Except it's a health potion over like 5-6 minutes if you CS perfectly (you don't) instead of, you know, 15 seconds.

Why do you compare it to the defense tree regen mastery when literally no one gets that one either? It's like saying you're smarter than the stupidest kid in your class it hardly goes a long way to proving your point.
TranslatorBaa!
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 23 2014 15:25 GMT
#478
You're comparing a passive mastery to a consumable item. Mastery points are not exchangeable with gold so that's pointless. You should be comparing it to the other masteries it's competing with, like expose weakness, which despite being a good mastery for per point value it's also easy to make fun of (whoop dee doo 101 damage instead of 100?).

Hp5 early game does matter or else champions wouldn't start with it.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 23 2014 15:26 GMT
#479
While feast is good doesn't everyone get it?I got it even before the buffs just cause there wasn't really anything else to get.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-23 15:33:55
April 23 2014 15:33 GMT
#480
It's fine on ADC or something, which I know people do, but there are often much better points to get. IIRC (I'm too lazy to actually look this up so it's time to bullshit and hope I'm right) Korean mids like Faker take it on melee AD champs, 1-2 guys take it on Ziggs or some shit (Pawn? Coco? IDR, he's a shitlord anyways), and that's about it. There's not much point taking on people like Nidalee or Lulu for example.
TranslatorBaa!
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 146 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3693
Larva 403
Zeus 214
sSak 198
Hyun 86
Dewaltoss 78
Noble 18
Soma 5
Dota 2
The International89380
Gorgc2087
Dendi1008
NeuroSwarm119
League of Legends
JimRising 541
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K655
allub56
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King168
Other Games
XaKoH 149
Nina51
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick400
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 41
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1362
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
1h 37m
Cure vs Zoun
Classic vs Maru
Maestros of the Game
8h 37m
ShoWTimE vs herO
Bunny vs Zoun
TBD vs Serral
TBD vs Classic
BSL Team Wars
10h 37m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 1h
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
1d 2h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.