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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Featuring supports who go mid and top lane, and mid laners who go support. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 23 2014 10:56 Sufficiency wrote: It might be a problem if his laning phase is entirely passive and/or reactionary... and he gets utterly destroyed. Reactionary and passive are ok if he is still useful out of laning phase. Consider a lane where the enemy has a strong melee all-in and your adc is weaker. Unless their adc can flank you can totally zone the enemy adc and force the beneficial "attack the support" trade because you can strum and you can force the enemy adc to attack you while you and your adc have large defensive bonuses. The enemy must split damage or focus the guy with bonus armor/mr and a flat -%damage ability. And they can't stop this for the most part because projectiles do not go through. (E.G.) graves should not be able to q or r through you to your carry. This way Braum can force a passive lane for a late game adc against an early game combo. On the other hand look at the matchup vs ranged champions. In lane Braum is more or less forced to eat harass with no retaliation. He can q the enemy but that is only valuable if your adc can get autos. If his q doesn't go through creeps this makes it super hard for him to be effective. But come late game his e will eat most of the abilities of those ranged supports without blinking. He can straight face tank thinks like nami ult for his team allowing engage through the enemies disengage because his wind wall moves at +10% speed. I think that this is an interesting trade off in bottom lane. Whereas we typically think of the melee supports winning if they get their engage off and losing if they do not but not being effective late. Braum by his ability to eat spells almost has to be effective late. But he also may enable weaker carries or carries which do not have dashes and need someone to be able to body block for them (at which he will be the best) He will still get wrecked by Morgana though. Edit: dropped a bracket. Typed on phone. Fixed | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 23 2014 12:50 Ketara wrote: Welcome to the League of Legends, Summoners Rift spotlight. Featuring supports who go mid and top lane, and mid laners who go support. Yeah I kind of think the support role saved Zyra. Not what Riot intended to do, but they got lucky that she turned out to be OK as a support. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Looks like his stun is 1.25 - 1.75 seconds, similar to Annie's passive. The cooldown is 8 seconds. That seems pretty good. I hope they put in his mana and mana per level soon. On April 23 2014 12:50 Goumindong wrote: Reactionary and passive are ok if he is still useful out of laning phase. Consider a lane where the enemy has a strong melee all-in and your adc is weaker. Unless their adc can flank you can totally zone the enemy adc and force the beneficial "attack the support" trade because you can strum and you can force the enemy adc to attack you while you and your adc have large defensive bonuses. The enemy must split damage or focus the guy with bonus armor/mr and a flat -%damage ability. And they can't stop this for the most part because projectiles do not go through. (E.G.) graves should not be able to q or r through you to your carry. This way Braum can force a passive lane for a late game adc against an early game combo. On the other hand look at the matchup vs ranged champions. In lane Braum is more or less forced to eat harass with no retaliation. He can q the enemy but that is only valuable if your adc can get autos. If his q doesn't go through creeps this makes it super hard for him to be effective. But come late game his e will eat most of the abilities of those ranged supports without blinking. He can straight face tank thinks like nami ult for his team allowing engage through the enemies disengage because his wind wall moves at +10% speed. I think that this is an interesting trade off in bottom lane. Whereas we typically think of the melee supports winning if they get their engage off and losing if they do not but not being effective late. Braum by his ability to eat spells almost has to be effective late. But he also may enable weaker carries or carries which do not have dashes and need someone to be able to body block for them (at which he will be the best) He will still get wrecked by Morgana though. Edit: dropped a bracket. Typed on phone. Fixed Support having weak laning phase is very different from ADC having weak laning phase though. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
dat mantheon ultimate | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On April 23 2014 13:32 canikizu wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK5BtY1oF6M dat mantheon ultimate HOLY SHIT THIS SKIN IS SOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOD I'm totally buying this shit. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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GTPGlitch
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 23 2014 13:54 justiceknight wrote: imo braum is like a random hero just for the sake of making a new hero, any1 agrees? new hero? not even sure i'd go that far he's got lee sin's safeguard yasuo's windwall nami's ult his Q is generic skillshot they just put like all the defensive skills of other champs onto a "new" champ. he's definitely not doing anything for my jimmies | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
power in his hands and quest for glory | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
if only they were that good on default starting skins that u didnt buy with your hard earned money | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
that brings to mind an interesting thought they removed lee sin's shield on ward jumps to make him less slippery, but katarina still has damage reduction on shunpo to wards ssshhh don't tell riot | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + All his animations are so big and impressive that even if he's not doing much, he'll look cool while he does. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 23 2014 14:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: i like how they specifically worded it so that he can't ward jump that brings to mind an interesting thought they removed lee sin's shield on ward jumps to make him less slippery, but katarina still has damage reduction on shunpo to wards ssshhh don't tell riot Shhh Katarina is not a jungler and only has one gapcloser. She also has no CC. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On April 23 2014 14:31 killerdog wrote: Regardless of anything else, he looks pretty awesome + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpRkdo92P00 All his animations are so big and impressive that even if he's not doing much, he'll look cool while he does. Wow his skills animations are so fucking good :D First reaction when I saw his summoner icon in-game? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.grolschfilmworks.com/media/uploads/images/gangs-of-new-york-2002-31-g.jpg) My new favourite champ probably !  http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/04/422-pbe-update-braum.html Also DragonSlayer skin for Braum already <3 Saving moneys ! Rengar skin is awesome but the fact that he blows is pretty sad. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 23 2014 13:31 Sufficiency wrote: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Braum Looks like his stun is 1.25 - 1.75 seconds, similar to Annie's passive. The cooldown is 8 seconds. That seems pretty good. I hope they put in his mana and mana per level soon. Support having weak laning phase is very different from ADC having weak laning phase though. Sure but: 1) he will likely only have a weak laning phase vs ranged supports. 2) in season 3 a weak laning phase never hurt Janna. Even when the champions she was weak against were some of the more popular she had the highest win rate of all the supports. Janna isn't strong anymore because her late game and mid game are weak. Even though Leona is popular she can't provide what others provide and can't protect like others protect largely because supports get more money and that means you either have to do damage with your peel or you have to defend against another diver. But Braum shouldn't suffer from this. His ult can be init or disengage (doesn't require flash ult) his protection scales well with common defensive items for allies(and sustain) he can stun multiple enemies (attack one to start the chain so allies can stun them then hit another) and it's on a low cd his peel is unconditional and most importantly he scales with tank items. At 40% cdr Braun basically gets Ali's rank 1 ultimate with a 66% uptime that also intercepts projectiles. That is big. Edit: I think you are right though that he may be under tuned. His full ult combo has a damage of 610 +.6 ap + 5% max health and that is only if he maxes q first and ranks up his ultimate every chance (both of which he might not want to do) This gives him the lowest damage of pretty much everyone in the game. And it's going to look the worst at level 3 when the enemy will have roughly three damaging abilities and he will have 1. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
he actually looks really good imo | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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