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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 05 2014 05:23 GMT
#2441
On May 05 2014 14:06 Ketara wrote:
Dear Atrioc,

Please update your guides, I feel lonely in the strategy forum.

Love,
Ketara

Oh fuck, I forgot I've left the Varus one in a "work in progress" state for close to a month now. lol

Reminds me I need to make slight tweaks to the other ones aswell.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 05 2014 07:12 GMT
#2442
Does anyone else feel like Kassadin is retarded strong right now?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 05 2014 07:17 GMT
#2443
On May 05 2014 16:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Does anyone else feel like Kassadin is retarded strong right now?


several other d1/challenger players echo this statement so you are not alone. Personally I think he's possibly stronger than he was prework
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 07:23:01
May 05 2014 07:21 GMT
#2444
On May 05 2014 16:17 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 16:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Does anyone else feel like Kassadin is retarded strong right now?


several other d1/challenger players echo this statement so you are not alone. Personally I think he's possibly stronger than he was prework


Kassadin is stupid because he is a champ with a built in sheen and chalice. Free damage, free mana regen, free magic reduction.

But I'm just a scrub D3 support/ jungler who hates not being able to protect my AD from being deleted and not being able to gank mid past level 6.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 05 2014 07:44 GMT
#2445
I don't understand Targon's Start on Thresh. Every pro does it but it doesn't seem good X_X. Someone tell me why I'm bad.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
OmegaKnetus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany431 Posts
May 05 2014 07:44 GMT
#2446
Kassadin is even more broken than before. You only need a single mana item (tear or ROA) and then just start wrecking shit. The magic shield makes you immune to harass vs mages and thanks to your W restoring shit tons of mana you can last hit with q against ad melees and never go oom.

His burst is the same if not way higher if you max w. You just gotta remember not to spam R to 1200 mana cost and you are good.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 05 2014 07:46 GMT
#2447
On May 05 2014 16:44 Cixah wrote:
I don't understand Targon's Start on Thresh. Every pro does it but it doesn't seem good X_X. Someone tell me why I'm bad.

Needs the extra bulk early and people don't want to buy Dshield anymore.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 05 2014 08:05 GMT
#2448
On May 05 2014 16:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 16:44 Cixah wrote:
I don't understand Targon's Start on Thresh. Every pro does it but it doesn't seem good X_X. Someone tell me why I'm bad.

Needs the extra bulk early and people don't want to buy Dshield anymore.


I just feel like you would benefit more from taking tanky runes and masteries and start coin. I've had decent success at gold/plat mmr with it but I don't really know how much different that can be at higher levels.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 05 2014 08:06 GMT
#2449
Kassadin was already not-weak-at-all with the rework, but they felt like he was underplayed so they made his numbers absolutely bonkers in the last "small buff" along with giving Rumble an ~80% effective slow after the MS normalization modifier

#riotlogicgaming
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 05 2014 08:08 GMT
#2450
On May 05 2014 16:44 OmegaKnetus wrote:
Kassadin is even more broken than before. You only need a single mana item (tear or ROA) and then just start wrecking shit. The magic shield makes you immune to harass vs mages and thanks to your W restoring shit tons of mana you can last hit with q against ad melees and never go oom.

His burst is the same if not way higher if you max w. You just gotta remember not to spam R to 1200 mana cost and you are good.


just lost 2 games to kass, his stupid R bombs like shit even with just sorc boots wtf.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 05 2014 09:10 GMT
#2451
@Swain, the wiki's at least wrong on that:
Although the projected ravens appear to return to Swain after striking a unit, this is purely visual and does not affect his healing in any way.

You get the HP when the ravens reach you. Annoying when they kill someone and you die while they're coming back to you. x)

Another case of shield/heal with a delay while Kass can be all "oh a skillshot, guess I'll Q whatever's in range and negate all its damage", to link topics. I don't care that his shield is short and only against magic damage, it's instant (it's faster than Lulu self-casting E ffs, not even mentioning Orianna or Viktor), has a 0.8 AP ratio, and is combined with an innate 15% magic damage resistance. He could stack AP and still laugh at Veigar's ult like it was nothing as long as he gets to cast Q during the travel time.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 05 2014 09:36 GMT
#2452
I was under the impression that everything that is instant is the same cast time, are some instants more instant?? or am I missing something here 'o'
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
May 05 2014 09:40 GMT
#2453
Instant cast time doesn´t necessarily mean the projectile/spell effects are instant. For example Ryze's Q is instant cast but has a (small) travel time.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 05 2014 09:41 GMT
#2454
Is it really? I'm pretty sure it stops Ryze in place and has a very small channeling.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
May 05 2014 09:52 GMT
#2455
In that case it's a really bad example by me but the rest of the post is still true.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 05 2014 09:56 GMT
#2456
Some spells have a "cast time" with a small channel, you can see the bar briefly appear at the bottom (for example Morgana's ult).
But most spells have a casting animation even if they don't have a "cast time" (Ryze has a significant wind-up on his W due to the animation which is why you'll never get a Rune Prison off at max range if your target is running away).

I'm not sure how this plays out wrt interrupting spells: Ezreal's ult has a cast time but can't be interrupted, in his case it's stated as an exception (Lux's ult is lumped with it but I don't know if she has a cast time? Does the bar appear?), animations are easily interrupted by running out of range but iirc they'll proceed through cc once they've started (it bones Irelia wrt her E because the short range+slow as heck animation means your opponent has the time to use an ability during the animation and it'll go off, for example Renekton can negate the stun at early levels of E if he has 50 fury and his W available because the long-ass animation takes most of the duration and he'll be able to move before Irelia).

Then you have bullshit like Riven who used to be able to Q when cc'd, Lee's ult that instantly roots the target then kicks it after a small delay (you can't use escaps but if you cc him the kick will go through anyway), Lissandra's ult has a delay between registering the cast and the stun for some reason (which allows Lee to cast his ult after yours and the kick will go through during the stun, or more universally people can use escapes after the cast registers and they'll be stunned on their arrival point; Flashing out takes most of the duration for Lissandra to walk back in range for her other spells so it's really annoying).

One thing I'm not sure about is if displacements are different from stuns in that regard: if Ryze starts his W and you stun him he should complete the animation. If you knock him up I don't know what should happen.

Disclaimer: I didn't check every single spell in the game for this, I'm operating based on the behaviour I've noted for some abilities because it makes more sense to assume the others work the same way than that I've found some new bullshit. If it's the latter then some champions have a (more or less) significant advantage in terms of execution and outplaying cc because of this.*

* which is the case for Riven regardless because Riot put the "fighting game" analogy up to the point that most of her moveset in cancellable into other specials. >_>
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 05 2014 10:21 GMT
#2457
This off season is getting silly, now liftlift has sprained his wrist~
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 05 2014 10:31 GMT
#2458
On May 05 2014 19:21 killerdog wrote:
This off season is getting silly, now liftlift has sprained his wrist~

All I read there is hotshot ADC incoming
Glorious SEA doto
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 05 2014 11:58 GMT
#2459
On May 05 2014 19:31 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 19:21 killerdog wrote:
This off season is getting silly, now liftlift has sprained his wrist~

All I read there is hotshot ADC incoming


God bless the CLG wheel.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 05 2014 12:08 GMT
#2460
On May 05 2014 18:36 Dusty wrote:
I was under the impression that everything that is instant is the same cast time, are some instants more instant?? or am I missing something here 'o'


Most skills have an animation that needs to complete before firing. The biggest examples are Lux/Ezreal R. For most other skills, though, there is a 0.1 seconds delay.


For example, for Ryze's Q, you first channel for 0.1 seconds, then Q comes out, then Q will land on the target once it travels the distance required to reach the target.

It is my understanding that this kind of channel cannot be interupted.

There are exceptions. The biggest one is Elise's E in human form.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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