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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 25 2014 08:05 GMT
#1501
On March 25 2014 10:30 DiracMonopole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 10:27 nafta wrote:
You probably didn't play back when you could stack gold items that also gave a bucketload of HP and armor.Every top lane was worse than that.


Fixed for you.

RIP HOG

RIP 4heartofgold boots wards Alistar
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
March 25 2014 08:39 GMT
#1502
On March 25 2014 14:35 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:
On March 25 2014 04:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On March 25 2014 03:44 Alzadar wrote:
On March 25 2014 03:43 GettingIt wrote:
Have you guys been seeing a lot of Morgana support recently? It is such a pain to gank bot lane when shes support. Especially when its Morgana and Sivir, double spell shields are op


Yup she's huge now. Spellthief's Edge paying the bills with Tormented Soil


I'm just happy for what Spellthief's did for Karma. She was good before but now DAMN. Dat Spellthief makes her chunk even HARDER.


Yo, don't be so happy so fast. I'm guessing that her Q will get nerfed hard soon, because this is what Riot has done to supports before. They want to emphasize support utility over that power.


If they nerf Karma I will FLIP.


Just think of it this way, Riot has had this approach since the Sona days. That's a long time now. They have a very clear trend of what they want their supports to be. It's normal now to expect it. The only thing you can hope for is that they don't completely go overboard with it. It has to happen because Riot has shown a pretty straight forward response in terms of what they want from a support role. So, I'm going to assume they'll buff her E(the shield)'s ap ratio, and nerf both the early game damage and ratio slightly from her Q. That's the usual trend I believe.

If I'm wrong, that's cool too. I very much enjoy seeing Karma in that support role.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 25 2014 09:05 GMT
#1503
Part of Morgana's Q comes from the slow projectile speed, significant cast animation, and mana cost. I doubt Riot will pay much heed to the cast animation and they rarely touch projectile speed (last time they did it was for Skarner and before that Zyra iirc, 'cept if you count changing Corki's Q?), and they see high mana costs as a hindrance so they'd end up "buffing" it and nerfing the skill to compensate.

I'd be surprised if the way her ult is hard to use offensively (esp. for a support) with the rampant mobility, W lacks value on champions without hitting a Q first (seriously as soon as people in front of you can push you get 2 ticks of it at most and it's super expensive), etc. would be taken into account to justify Q being strong to compensate for one of her spell dealing no damage nor cc and another one being reliant on said Q.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
March 25 2014 09:26 GMT
#1504
Does anyone know what happened to Phantomlord? I've seen almost no stupid videos of him on Reddit's frontpage lately. Did he stop streaming because of the incident with the hacker group?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
March 25 2014 09:29 GMT
#1505
On March 25 2014 18:26 Don_Julio wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to Phantomlord? I've seen almost no stupid videos of him on Reddit's frontpage lately. Did he stop streaming because of the incident with the hacker group?

Currently playing Diablo.
Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
March 25 2014 09:40 GMT
#1506
On March 25 2014 16:41 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 14:35 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 25 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:
On March 25 2014 04:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On March 25 2014 03:44 Alzadar wrote:
On March 25 2014 03:43 GettingIt wrote:
Have you guys been seeing a lot of Morgana support recently? It is such a pain to gank bot lane when shes support. Especially when its Morgana and Sivir, double spell shields are op


Yup she's huge now. Spellthief's Edge paying the bills with Tormented Soil


I'm just happy for what Spellthief's did for Karma. She was good before but now DAMN. Dat Spellthief makes her chunk even HARDER.


Yo, don't be so happy so fast. I'm guessing that her Q will get nerfed hard soon, because this is what Riot has done to supports before. They want to emphasize support utility over that power.


If they nerf Karma I will FLIP.

Nah, they'll just rework. Kit too toxic when popular etc etc.

On supports, is Morgana's Q, one of the few 3 second CCs left, going to cop a nerf? I think that would be sad.

It's just a snare, so maybe they won't nerf it
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
March 25 2014 09:56 GMT
#1507
I am a big morgana fan, although I tend to play her mid. If they nerf her I would be surprised given her win rate but then I didn't think they would nerf teemo without compensation elsewhere in his kit and they did (I thought they would nerf R and buff W).
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 25 2014 09:58 GMT
#1508
Worst part about Khazix is with all the resets and extra speed from his ult, pink wards don't do jack diddly against him in a team fight. Oracles plz.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 25 2014 10:00 GMT
#1509
You get an 8s oracles if you upgrade a sweeper before teamfights. The problem's more its cd than the duration, and the fact that seeing him doesn't stop the 50% damage reduction that makes him so tough to crack.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 25 2014 10:06 GMT
#1510
Which you probably want to be using for sweeping wards, not on Khazix during teamfights. But hey, who's counting...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 25 2014 10:12 GMT
#1511
Your team can get several of those, though. I mean, it's not like we'd say Vayne, Akali or Twitch are OP because they have Stealth as a defensive mechanism.
Rengar is pretty obnoxious because he currently has a huge range to engage from and an oracle's lense won't save you (especially since he'll in range to gap close on you and tripleQ anyway), but in Kha'Zix's case it's "in combat" so as long as you can use it to see where he goes and whether he's trying to come back in, the stealth in itself isn't nearly as annoying as the damage reduction.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
March 25 2014 10:18 GMT
#1512
On March 25 2014 19:12 Alaric wrote:
Your team can get several of those, though. I mean, it's not like we'd say Vayne, Akali or Twitch are OP because they have Stealth as a defensive mechanism.
Rengar is pretty obnoxious because he currently has a huge range to engage from and an oracle's lense won't save you (especially since he'll in range to gap close on you and tripleQ anyway), but in Kha'Zix's case it's "in combat" so as long as you can use it to see where he goes and whether he's trying to come back in, the stealth in itself isn't nearly as annoying as the damage reduction.

Akali's stealth is a defensive mechanism. She gets 10 to 50 armor/mr in her shroud.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 25 2014 10:38 GMT
#1513
On March 25 2014 18:05 Alaric wrote:
Part of Morgana's Q comes from the slow projectile speed, significant cast animation, and mana cost. I doubt Riot will pay much heed to the cast animation and they rarely touch projectile speed (last time they did it was for Skarner and before that Zyra iirc, 'cept if you count changing Corki's Q?), and they see high mana costs as a hindrance so they'd end up "buffing" it and nerfing the skill to compensate.

I'd be surprised if the way her ult is hard to use offensively (esp. for a support) with the rampant mobility, W lacks value on champions without hitting a Q first (seriously as soon as people in front of you can push you get 2 ticks of it at most and it's super expensive), etc. would be taken into account to justify Q being strong to compensate for one of her spell dealing no damage nor cc and another one being reliant on said Q.

Champs are getting more mobile, CC is becoming less and less. Odd interaction.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 25 2014 10:47 GMT
#1514
Akali's stealth is stuck on a point. Vayne has her q to move around, but she's generally not moving an entire screen in half a second. Twitch is super immobile. It's not really the same. In a competitive 5's environment yeah, other people on your team will buy them. In solo que, good luck.

Also from a vision war perspective, its pretty annoying to have to reserve your ward sweeping items for combat.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 25 2014 11:02 GMT
#1515
I didn't say it wasn't a defense/survival mechanism, just that we don't call them OP for having it.
Akali on the enemy team? -> get an oracle's lens, and maybe another sweeper on the team so you can remove wards and still have it up for teamfights.

Of course I can't really disagree with ze0das about how "needing the team to get some more sweepers" will on average give an advantage to the "stealth" team in a soloQ environment, but I don't believe it's grounds for determining a champion's balance by itself. It'll always be annoying to have vision wars and get your team to help with wards regardless of stealth.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 25 2014 11:42 GMT
#1516
On March 25 2014 18:29 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 18:26 Don_Julio wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to Phantomlord? I've seen almost no stupid videos of him on Reddit's frontpage lately. Did he stop streaming because of the incident with the hacker group?

Currently playing Diablo.



Hiding himself behind Blizzard :o
hi
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
March 25 2014 11:59 GMT
#1517
I've given serious thought to just banning all stealth champions in solo queue. I've seen teammates that can flawlessly execute complicated mechanics but have no idea that you're supposed to get an oracles lens or pink ward against akali etc.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 25 2014 12:19 GMT
#1518
Well I guess the scarra thing was a hoax. I should have seen it coming when Dyrus was basically saying 'it is not true'.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 25 2014 13:00 GMT
#1519
is twitch down for anyone else?
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-25 13:20:49
March 25 2014 13:19 GMT
#1520
On March 25 2014 19:38 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 18:05 Alaric wrote:
Part of Morgana's Q comes from the slow projectile speed, significant cast animation, and mana cost. I doubt Riot will pay much heed to the cast animation and they rarely touch projectile speed (last time they did it was for Skarner and before that Zyra iirc, 'cept if you count changing Corki's Q?), and they see high mana costs as a hindrance so they'd end up "buffing" it and nerfing the skill to compensate.

I'd be surprised if the way her ult is hard to use offensively (esp. for a support) with the rampant mobility, W lacks value on champions without hitting a Q first (seriously as soon as people in front of you can push you get 2 ticks of it at most and it's super expensive), etc. would be taken into account to justify Q being strong to compensate for one of her spell dealing no damage nor cc and another one being reliant on said Q.

Champs are getting more mobile, CC is becoming less and less. Odd interaction.

Given what seems to be their current design philosophy, I wouldn't be surprised if riot just answers that with:

"Moving is fun, not moving is not fun"
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