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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 17:10 GMT
#661
On March 21 2014 02:09 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Actually wasn't release TF pretty stupid? it had like 2 globals right?

E was gate, Ulti was a global reveal + slow + reduced cast time on gate. If you stood still while using pick a card you got 2 aoe stuns.

Sounds balanced.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2014 17:15 GMT
#662
On March 21 2014 01:53 wei2coolman wrote:
There's a reason why his name was WinXiao for so long.

Some of the ones from newest to older, that I think were pretty bonkers (straight release, not at all patched)
jinx(graves 2.0 except with global), zac(unkillable), elise(dat everything), kha'zix(dem missles), rengar(dat sustain), diana(dat dmg and tankiness), zyra(dat dmg and cc), jayce(dat hammer), draven (bleed op'd), darius (dat dmg), ahri (dat dmg), shyvana (dat clear speed), graves (dat burst), talon (infinite mana rake spam op'd), the rest I didn't play league before Ori release.

*WinNao pls.

The amusing part about Talon was that his mana regen alone allowed him to go top against the tanky sustainers, and actually kinda bully them (or at least push relentlessly so it was hard for them to contest his farming and compensate for his harass with trades).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 20 2014 17:17 GMT
#663
Rengar wasn't popular on release, and I don't remember Shyvana being played much before M5 unleashed her. Darius's only meaningful change since release is the ultimate not fully refreshing, and that was a year after release.

My vote is for Zyra.
I am the Town Medic.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 20 2014 17:20 GMT
#664
Graves was really fucking dumb on release. They have nerfed every single ability in his kit (including his passive AND range) at least once. On release day, I don't think a single ADC could lane against him except Cait, but he even burst her out of lane most of the time.
It's your boy Guzma!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 20 2014 17:20 GMT
#665
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.
I come in for the scraps
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 17:23:17
March 20 2014 17:22 GMT
#666
guardsmanbob literally built a career on one good udyr game

and jatt sort of did from a bunch of good udyr games

udyr confirmed life-changing levels of op
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 17:24:02
March 20 2014 17:23 GMT
#667
Now imagine what could have been had Neo not fed said game.

Although Gbob already enjoyed some level of popularity from GW.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 20 2014 17:28 GMT
#668
On March 21 2014 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.


There's a reason the game was originally called League of Legends: Clash of Fates.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 17:29 GMT
#669
On March 21 2014 02:22 Kyrie wrote:
guardsmanbob literally built a career on one good udyr game

and jatt sort of did from a bunch of good udyr games

udyr confirmed life-changing levels of op

post nerf udyr made trick2g's career as well. udyr confirmed for career maker.
liftlift > tsm
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 17:32:23
March 20 2014 17:31 GMT
#670
locket udyr semi made IWdominate's career as well, along with his shaco. he was a really good shaco back in the day, but abusing locket udyr is what got him to do where he is now

and its weird to think about these gaps. Super udyr and locket udyr are pretty far apart in terms of timelines, super udyr was definitely a lot more dumb though
I come in for the scraps
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 17:44:46
March 20 2014 17:43 GMT
#671
On March 21 2014 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.


Funny how she's in your name, but you didn't even mention her. Release-Vayne was the most disgusting thing ever released into this game.... EVER!

BT+Q, oh sorry there goes 30% hp off the enemy adc npnp

Nobody gave a shit about her truesilver bolts back then, it was just icing on the cake.
hi
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 20 2014 17:43 GMT
#672
Jax could dodge turret shots, thats pretty lulzy too.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
March 20 2014 17:50 GMT
#673
On March 21 2014 02:43 arb wrote:
Jax could dodge turret shots, thats pretty lulzy too.

He used to get bonus hp from building damage and had a chance to dodge every single attack thrown at him.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 20 2014 18:06 GMT
#674
On March 21 2014 02:50 Leonite7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 02:43 arb wrote:
Jax could dodge turret shots, thats pretty lulzy too.

He used to get bonus hp from building damage and had a chance to dodge every single attack thrown at him.

That's not even the worst thing, his ult gave him like 140% attack speed and he barely had to stack it to reach the max stacks
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 20 2014 18:09 GMT
#675
On March 21 2014 02:43 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.


Funny how she's in your name, but you didn't even mention her. Release-Vayne was the most disgusting thing ever released into this game.... EVER!

BT+Q, oh sorry there goes 30% hp off the enemy adc npnp

Nobody gave a shit about her truesilver bolts back then, it was just icing on the cake.


she would be in the xin zhao, leblanc, etc camp. All very OP but not quite on the same level. Pretty much anything released after xin falls into this, they never got quite to that same power level once ranked started
I come in for the scraps
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 18:10:53
March 20 2014 18:09 GMT
#676
On March 21 2014 02:43 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.


Funny how she's in your name, but you didn't even mention her. Release-Vayne was the most disgusting thing ever released into this game.... EVER!

BT+Q, oh sorry there goes 30% hp off the enemy adc npnp

Nobody gave a shit about her truesilver bolts back then, it was just icing on the cake.

Release Vayne was fine in the context of it being basically next in line in a time period where a lot of things happened to be successively OP and subsequently nerfed like release Nocturne, GP remake, release Ori, Jarvan, etc.

People remember these things as being individually OP because of how they were nerfed in succession, but putting them all together, the game was pretty balanced and had a very high power level. There's a reason why I still consider that period the best in the game's history. There was a lot of shit that was insanely strong, but nothing that I would consider "OP". Only the nerfs to other things around them made individual champions in this period seem out of line.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 20 2014 18:11 GMT
#677
On March 21 2014 03:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 02:43 Sponkz wrote:
On March 21 2014 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.


Funny how she's in your name, but you didn't even mention her. Release-Vayne was the most disgusting thing ever released into this game.... EVER!

BT+Q, oh sorry there goes 30% hp off the enemy adc npnp

Nobody gave a shit about her truesilver bolts back then, it was just icing on the cake.

Release Vayne was fine in the context of it being basically next in line in a time period where a lot of things happened to be successively OP and subsequently nerfed like release Nocturne, GP remake, release Ori, Jarvan, etc.

People remember these things as being individually OP because of how they were nerfed in succession, but putting them all together, the game was pretty balanced and had a very high power level. There's a reason why I still consider that period the best in the game's history. There was a lot of shit that was insanely strong, but nothing that I would consider "OP". Only the nerfs to other things around them made individual champions in this period seem out of line.

METAGOLEM
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 20 2014 18:11 GMT
#678
Vi and graves were super op at release.
Elise actually got buffed shortly after her release because the general consensus was she was bad. Of course at that time it was only toplane Elise. Jayce was weird, he didn't get played alot on release, quite some time had to pass before people figured out how broken he was
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 18:12 GMT
#679
On March 21 2014 03:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 02:43 Sponkz wrote:
On March 21 2014 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
none of the champs even come close to really old school, TF had gold cards that AOE stunned, pick a card didnt go away on towers so you could kill them in like 2-3 hits with lich bane, his ult was a 6-7 second global slow/reveal (massive slow) and then you could just teleport anywhere lolz. Most of that time was just decided by who had the better TF mid.

Some other notables are jax (dodge everything, 1v5 everything), and super udyr (2 levels ahead of everyone from jungling he jungled so fast, and he was basically unkillable. could just run into teams 1v5 and not give a fuck.

I'm probably forgetting some but those were 3 of the most ridiculous. Xin zhao, leblanc, etc are all jokes compared to these.


Funny how she's in your name, but you didn't even mention her. Release-Vayne was the most disgusting thing ever released into this game.... EVER!

BT+Q, oh sorry there goes 30% hp off the enemy adc npnp

Nobody gave a shit about her truesilver bolts back then, it was just icing on the cake.

Release Vayne was fine in the context of it being basically next in line in a time period where a lot of things happened to be successively OP and subsequently nerfed like release Nocturne, GP remake, release Ori, Jarvan, etc.

People remember these things as being individually OP because of how they were nerfed in succession, but putting them all together, the game was pretty balanced and had a very high power level. There's a reason why I still consider that period the best in the game's history. There was a lot of shit that was insanely strong, but nothing that I would consider "OP". Only the nerfs to other things around them made individual champions in this period seem out of line.

God that GP remake made me so sad. No more melee carry
liftlift > tsm
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 18:21:11
March 20 2014 18:13 GMT
#680
played since galio release and jayce had terrible animations on release and only gained popularity after he got really good animations. vayne, graves and maybe nocturne to a slightly lesser extent were the biggest OP releases. vayne who's ratios and base stats were batshit crazy. graves pretty much got everything nerfed from his attack speed, passive, ratios, attack range changed so that's something... lol. also ori was pretty stupid with her much longer ranges although i'm not so sure how strong she'd be in today's game since she also went through some casting/animation fixes to make her a lot smoother.
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