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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
March 18 2014 16:28 GMT
#281
On March 19 2014 01:24 Alzadar wrote:
All of those are fringe picks nobody plays, so in the end it's easier to just pick Nasus myself.

That's exactly the same reason why I can get away with playing Darius all the time. All of the people that counter him are either no longer played in the top lane or just aren't played anymore.

I'm going to be sad if/when Kennen makes a resurgence though.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
March 18 2014 16:33 GMT
#282
I recently played vs Ryze as renek. What do you start with? I started shield (I was actually expecting kennen top) but what basically happened was me trying to survive vs his mana pool (I had to back pretty early on) and engaging on him was hard because I took way more damage from continued harass and slicing and dicing got me rooted and Q'd so we traded pretty evenly in the moments when i actually could trade. Are you just supposed to play like a bitch, or what?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
March 18 2014 16:36 GMT
#283
Play like a bitch that's what you get for picking renek ! :D
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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 16:57:14
March 18 2014 16:41 GMT
#284
you should have more hp regen than he can deal at least early on pre tear. dorans shield is fine vs him because he'll likely be autoing you on top of those spells. just get some good q's in for regen and if also harass if you can. at lev 2 harass a little harder with E and Q. level 3 if you haven't been taking too much you can go for a kill with stun. after that, i'm not too sure lol. just imagining it gives me the feeling that ryze shits on renekton. it's been a while since ryze been popular top. in this matchup i'm guessing you have to build at least some form of offense because ryze becomes much harder and harder to kill as he keeps getting more items and a visage into sunfire probably won't be enough
BW -> League -> CSGO
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
March 18 2014 16:51 GMT
#285
On March 19 2014 01:03 justiceknight wrote:
how do u combo as velkoz, i am using EWQ currently. And also if some1 jumps on me like kz, wtf should i do?


If they have multiple gap closers (kz, akali, etc), you are probably fucked. If they arent full hp, you can try to e them to get some breathing room, and then wqr them to death.

If they dont have multiple gap closers, then eq will give you enough room + slow them to get away, often.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 18 2014 16:53 GMT
#286
On March 19 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait. Did karthus seriously not have extra AP from deathcap and no voidstaff mrshred when he was in zombie form? How long has this been the case?? ?

This bugfix buff ought to cancel out the other bugfix nerf from earlier (when they made it so you couldn't get CDR and rapidly toggle E for maximum damage output)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 18 2014 16:54 GMT
#287
In IEM Ryze trashed Renek pretty bad early on with Q-auto every time he went in to CS

Renek wins if he can get on top of Ryze if Ryze isn't careful, but otherwise get ready to come out of lane 30 cs down
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 17:15:16
March 18 2014 17:03 GMT
#288
On March 18 2014 18:41 AsnSensation wrote:
Monte doing LPL analysis with Papasmithy. EDG vs OMG
http://www.azubu.tv/channel/detail.do?cn_id=2198289229001&vod_id=

Nice. I'm always interested in LPL but never really get a chance to watch. Also Monte's rant about not liking the champion pillars was pretty silly :p

Edit: Also I just realized ClearLove went back to his awesome name and ditched "Troll." Win.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 17:09:20
March 18 2014 17:06 GMT
#289
On March 19 2014 01:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
In IEM Ryze trashed Renek pretty bad early on with Q-auto every time he went in to CS

Renek wins if he can get on top of Ryze if Ryze isn't careful, but otherwise get ready to come out of lane 30 cs down

Ehhhh. It's hard to tell tbh. Leopard shat on soaz every single game so it could have just been leopard just being significantly better. In solo queue I could see it being a slight issue playing ryze since he's fairly vulnerable to ganks.

On March 19 2014 01:53 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait. Did karthus seriously not have extra AP from deathcap and no voidstaff mrshred when he was in zombie form? How long has this been the case?? ?

This bugfix buff ought to cancel out the other bugfix nerf from earlier (when they made it so you couldn't get CDR and rapidly toggle E for maximum damage output)

No one was really abusing that even when that was a thing.

Maybe regi knew about this death bug and explained why he always ultied at beginning of fights instead of after dying?
liftlift > tsm
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 18 2014 17:17 GMT
#290
wonder how long till riot realizes eve problem is her stealth not damage numbers, shes still as obnoxious to play against as before, i wish they removed her from the game
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 18 2014 17:19 GMT
#291
On March 19 2014 02:17 kongoline wrote:
wonder how long till riot realizes eve problem is her stealth not damage numbers, shes still as obnoxious to play against as before, i wish they removed her from the game

your prayers have been answered
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/446463-strategy-evelynns-unique-dynamics
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2014 17:21 GMT
#292
On March 19 2014 02:17 kongoline wrote:
wonder how long till riot realizes eve problem is her stealth not damage numbers, shes still as obnoxious to play against as before, i wish they removed her from the game

I think they know stealth is a problem but they want some semblance of the mechanic to exist in the game. She's in a good spot, really good jungling and map pressure completely dismantles her.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 18 2014 17:27 GMT
#293
On March 19 2014 01:28 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 01:24 Alzadar wrote:
All of those are fringe picks nobody plays, so in the end it's easier to just pick Nasus myself.

That's exactly the same reason why I can get away with playing Darius all the time. All of the people that counter him are either no longer played in the top lane or just aren't played anymore.

I'm going to be sad if/when Kennen makes a resurgence though.

Please tell me Lissandra fucks him up. She seems to have the tols for it at least.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
March 18 2014 17:27 GMT
#294
On March 19 2014 00:42 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 00:27 Alzadar wrote:
Honestly Tristana is a mana guzzler when you start Rocket Jumping. Having Rapid Fire for free takes a lot of pressure off of using it in lane and early fights, I think it's a pretty solid buff. I'll probably start playing her since Caitlyn really hasn't been doing it for me lately. Too bad she has no good skins.

Re: Nasus. Range nerfs from a while back do hurt, but playing him a bit he's still the big dog of top lane. Who beats this dude?

You did not just diss rocketeer tristana.


Buccaneer tristana is where the cool kids arrr
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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 18:01:47
March 18 2014 17:36 GMT
#295
There is something I can't really understand btw.
Why do pro players so often stay inside Pantheon's mandrop circle ?

Like xiyang in this least LPL game, he stayed in the middle of the circle as Nidalee, just to flash out of it on the side before he landed. Is there a reasoning to this I'm missing ?
I noticed Xpeke does this often as well, it looks really retarded.

Edit: oh yeah i forgot it looks different in an obverver point of view.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
March 18 2014 17:42 GMT
#296
On March 19 2014 02:06 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 01:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
In IEM Ryze trashed Renek pretty bad early on with Q-auto every time he went in to CS

Renek wins if he can get on top of Ryze if Ryze isn't careful, but otherwise get ready to come out of lane 30 cs down

Ehhhh. It's hard to tell tbh. Leopard shat on soaz every single game so it could have just been leopard just being significantly better. In solo queue I could see it being a slight issue playing ryze since he's fairly vulnerable to ganks.

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 01:53 thenexusp wrote:
On March 19 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait. Did karthus seriously not have extra AP from deathcap and no voidstaff mrshred when he was in zombie form? How long has this been the case?? ?

This bugfix buff ought to cancel out the other bugfix nerf from earlier (when they made it so you couldn't get CDR and rapidly toggle E for maximum damage output)

No one was really abusing that even when that was a thing.

Maybe regi knew about this death bug and explained why he always ultied at beginning of fights instead of after dying?

Ryze poops all over Renekton. Outside of early Leopard was still winning despite sloppy play. The prefight Karthus ult was to dissuade the fight from every happening, like a seiging team using Ace in the Hole to get champions like LeBlanc to get out of their face.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 17:52:01
March 18 2014 17:49 GMT
#297
On March 19 2014 02:36 -Zoda- wrote:
There is something I can't really understand btw.
Why do pro players so often stay inside Pantheon's mandrop circle ?

Like xiyang in this least LPL game, he stayed in the middle of the circle as Nidalee, just to flash out of it on the side before he landed. Is there a reasoning to this I'm missing ?
I noticed Xpeke does this often as well, it looks really retarded.

If I remember correctly, the initial indicator is visible only to Pantheon's team. The enemy doesn't see the indicator until that second circle within the indicator starts expanding (i.e., Pantheon Airlines has taken off and is preparing for landing at GNK).
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2014 17:55 GMT
#298
On March 19 2014 02:42 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 02:06 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2014 01:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
In IEM Ryze trashed Renek pretty bad early on with Q-auto every time he went in to CS

Renek wins if he can get on top of Ryze if Ryze isn't careful, but otherwise get ready to come out of lane 30 cs down

Ehhhh. It's hard to tell tbh. Leopard shat on soaz every single game so it could have just been leopard just being significantly better. In solo queue I could see it being a slight issue playing ryze since he's fairly vulnerable to ganks.

On March 19 2014 01:53 thenexusp wrote:
On March 19 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait. Did karthus seriously not have extra AP from deathcap and no voidstaff mrshred when he was in zombie form? How long has this been the case?? ?

This bugfix buff ought to cancel out the other bugfix nerf from earlier (when they made it so you couldn't get CDR and rapidly toggle E for maximum damage output)

No one was really abusing that even when that was a thing.

Maybe regi knew about this death bug and explained why he always ultied at beginning of fights instead of after dying?

Ryze poops all over Renekton. Outside of early Leopard was still winning despite sloppy play. The prefight Karthus ult was to dissuade the fight from every happening, like a seiging team using Ace in the Hole to get champions like LeBlanc to get out of their face.

the sloppiness arose when leopard chased Renekton into the bush because he thought he got renekton long enough. but he played the 1-6 levels really well.

as for Regi, it did more dmg when he was alive, therefore bigger dmg's, so more dissuasion?
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
March 18 2014 17:58 GMT
#299
http://esportsexpress.com/2014/03/esex-analysis-league-of-legends-at-iem-katowice/

He also had poor spacing in a couple of the fights, letting Renekton in melee range for longer than he should have.

I don't think Regi knew about it. However pro players and simultaneously smarter and stupider than we'd think.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2014 18:10 GMT
#300
On March 19 2014 02:58 Gahlo wrote:
http://esportsexpress.com/2014/03/esex-analysis-league-of-legends-at-iem-katowice/

He also had poor spacing in a couple of the fights, letting Renekton in melee range for longer than he should have.

I don't think Regi knew about it. However pro players and simultaneously smarter and stupider than we'd think.

he might not of straight out knew it, but I'm sure subconsciously probably had a feel that his ult hit harder before a fight than after? I'm just speculating at this point.

esex does it again.
liftlift > tsm
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