On March 19 2014 03:52 ghrur wrote: Oh for anybody who dislikes playing against teemo in top lane, here's what I do when I see that shit: Request a lane swap. Zone teemo out of all CS. Once lane is pushed up, 3-man dive the teemo under tower. Rinse and repeat until Teemo quits.
On March 19 2014 03:52 ghrur wrote: Oh for anybody who dislikes playing against teemo in top lane, here's what I do when I see that shit: Request a lane swap. Zone teemo out of all CS. Once lane is pushed up, 3-man dive the teemo under tower. Rinse and repeat until Teemo quits.
Actually, what happens then is Teemo just builds tanky items, and the rest of his team laughs whilst controlling the rest of the map as you devote 3 people to shut down one top laner.
On March 19 2014 03:52 ghrur wrote: Oh for anybody who dislikes playing against teemo in top lane, here's what I do when I see that shit: Request a lane swap. Zone teemo out of all CS. Once lane is pushed up, 3-man dive the teemo under tower. Rinse and repeat until Teemo quits.
lane swap in solo queue. good luck with that one.
LomoQ lane swaps, where their jungle/top gets two kills every two minutes because no one has any idea what they're doing.
On March 19 2014 03:52 ghrur wrote: Oh for anybody who dislikes playing against teemo in top lane, here's what I do when I see that shit: Request a lane swap. Zone teemo out of all CS. Once lane is pushed up, 3-man dive the teemo under tower. Rinse and repeat until Teemo quits.
Actually, what happens then is Teemo just builds tanky items, and the rest of his team laughs whilst controlling the rest of the map as you devote 3 people to shut down one top laner.
how do you propose he gets enough cs to do that? lol
On March 19 2014 03:52 ghrur wrote: Oh for anybody who dislikes playing against teemo in top lane, here's what I do when I see that shit: Request a lane swap. Zone teemo out of all CS. Once lane is pushed up, 3-man dive the teemo under tower. Rinse and repeat until Teemo quits.
lane swap in solo queue. good luck with that one.
LomoQ lane swaps, where their jungle/top gets two kills every two minutes because no one has any idea what they're doing.
On March 19 2014 03:52 ghrur wrote: Oh for anybody who dislikes playing against teemo in top lane, here's what I do when I see that shit: Request a lane swap. Zone teemo out of all CS. Once lane is pushed up, 3-man dive the teemo under tower. Rinse and repeat until Teemo quits.
Actually, what happens then is Teemo just builds tanky items, and the rest of his team laughs whilst controlling the rest of the map as you devote 3 people to shut down one top laner.
how do you propose he gets enough cs to do that? lol
He doesn't need to be a 6 item tank, again, you just devoted 3 people and abandoned your top laner to a 2v1 lane to shut down Teemo. He'll build DShield and boots and then just shroom up and split push. Even if he's far behind, the rest of his team won the map, or at the very least they're abusing your top laner as badly and diving him.
The lichbane change is kinda weird for me. What champs are abusing that item right now so that it needs a change? I use TF all the time, and that item is a necessity. I haven't gotten the chance to test it out, but I really hope they haven't knocked him too hard with that.
You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
Looked at the distortion enchantment buff and it's looking incredibly strong. Longer flash, faster ghost, and mini-homeguard for teleport? Pretty bonkers.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
On March 19 2014 04:10 docvoc wrote: The lichbane change is kinda weird for me. What champs are abusing that item right now so that it needs a change? I use TF all the time, and that item is a necessity. I haven't gotten the chance to test it out, but I really hope they haven't knocked him too hard with that.
they buffed some of his stuff to compensate. I'm just sad they didn't do the same for Akali
On March 18 2014 19:45 JazzVortical wrote: Why are you building tear? I've never said that. If I was doing it, I'd go jungle item into roa into Zhonyas/abyssal.
I've never said it's the be all and end all. Just an option to consider if you wanted to be a slightly tankier Diana, which is why I brought it up. I like to play her as more of a bruiser than assassin and roa compliments that effectively. Of course it works better in lane though as you mentioned earlier.
If you were playing Diana jungle, ideally you'd have a super tank out of top lane and could build straight damage and rely on your shield, Zhonyas and resists, just like you've been mentioning. That way you can hopefully snowball the mid game with those key timings and strong lunar rush ganks. If you needed more tank stats, I'd consider a RoA. Gives you decent health without gimping your damage like a full tank item.
Then again, if you needed to be the tank out of the jungle, you wouldn't go for Diana.
I mentioned Tear as I want to try it out on Diana and see if she can build it while jungling and have it fully stacked by ~25 minute mark, so that you have a double power spike of Seraph's + another AP item at/around the same time.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
Sure there is: Teemo is super squishy so easy to dive He has no good skills for CSing unlike Renekton's Q He has no inherent sustain like Nasus He has no waveclear like Shyvana So he's going to miss out on a shitload of CS and fall very far behind. He also doesn't build DShield normally unlike Renekton or Shyvana Teemo is annoying as hell.
And that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've done it in... normals LOL.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
Sure there is: Teemo is super squishy so easy to dive He has no good skills for CSing unlike Renekton's Q He has no inherent sustain like Nasus He has no waveclear like Shyvana So he's going to miss out on a shitload of CS and fall very far behind. He also doesn't build DShield normally unlike Renekton or Shyvana Teemo is annoying as hell.
And that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've done it in... normals LOL.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
Sure there is: Teemo is super squishy so easy to dive He has no good skills for CSing unlike Renekton's Q He has no inherent sustain like Nasus He has no waveclear like Shyvana So he's going to miss out on a shitload of CS and fall very far behind. He also doesn't build DShield normally unlike Renekton or Shyvana Teemo is annoying as hell.
And that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've done it in... normals LOL.
What is good about Renekton's Q for CSing?
Errrr... it's an AoE nuke with longer range than his auto attack that happens to heal him? Combined with his E he can single combo a wave after a few levels and he has an auto attack reset with W so it's actually great for CSing...
Yeah, Leopard messed up pretty bad there-- he probably though he only needed one auto or so and facechecked the bush while his stuff on was on CD. When Renek went offensive in his face, he panicked a bit too I think. Dying nullified a lot of his advantage, though I suppose you could say he was still ahead since Renek needs to win lane and get good farm to be where he wants midgame and he was already Tear + Cata (maybe RoA?) at that point.
The Karthus not getting pen and stuff in Death Defied seems like a massive bug, and I'm kind of confused why there isn't a hatetrain/wagon for me to hop on about it.
Is anyone here even a Karthus main? I think that's probably why. Also surprised no one noticed for so damn long... lol.
Well, this bug fix will likely lead to nerfs to his living form in the future, so its kinda more fun to be alive even of you love Karthus.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
Sure there is: Teemo is super squishy so easy to dive He has no good skills for CSing unlike Renekton's Q He has no inherent sustain like Nasus He has no waveclear like Shyvana So he's going to miss out on a shitload of CS and fall very far behind. He also doesn't build DShield normally unlike Renekton or Shyvana Teemo is annoying as hell.
And that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've done it in... normals LOL.
You know what he does have though that none of them do? A ranged nuke and ranged autos (not to mention a ranged blind to combat ADCs). In fact, if they don't dive from wave 1, Teemo is as good if not better at CSing under tower than all of the champions you mentioned because he incurs far less harassment from CSing at the turret. If you let him get to 6 (items or not), you then lose pretty much all ability to dive him.
There's nothing about him pre-6 that makes him inherently harder to dive than someone like Singed (who is pretty easy to kill pre-6 with coordination), Nasus (whose sustain doesn't mean much in a 1v3), Ryze (who can root one person before dying horribly), Darius (who basically just dies instantly to dives before his ult), or others.
I'm not saying that lane swapping and diving doesn't hurt Teemo (it does, pretty badly), but I'm just saying that it's not specific to him. That's how you shut down most 1v1 bullies or tops in general. That's like saying "having 3 hard divers shuts down Kog". Well, yeah it does, but it shuts down most other ADCs as well.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
Sure there is: Teemo is super squishy so easy to dive He has no good skills for CSing unlike Renekton's Q He has no inherent sustain like Nasus He has no waveclear like Shyvana So he's going to miss out on a shitload of CS and fall very far behind. He also doesn't build DShield normally unlike Renekton or Shyvana Teemo is annoying as hell.
And that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've done it in... normals LOL.
What is good about Renekton's Q for CSing?
Errrr... it's an AoE nuke with longer range than his auto attack that happens to heal him? Combined with his E he can single combo a wave after a few levels and he has an auto attack reset with W so it's actually great for CSing...
Except the assumption was that this was early game during a lane swap. Renek's Q isn't much when you have a duo lane pressuring you when you go to use it, and isn't particularly overwhelming until you get some ranks in it.
On March 19 2014 04:13 ghrur wrote: You actually don't need to devote 3 people. Your jungler can come by once, kill the teemo (because god knows he can't survive a 3v1 dive), kill the tower, and you just swap back. It's also going to be hard for the teemo to build a DShield if he doesn't see the 2v1 swap coming, especially in SoloQ. Also, once again, you can swap back to bottom lane afterwards, and if your top is a FOTM champion, he'll come out much better from 1v2 than a teemo will.
That's nothing specific to Teemo though, there's a myriad of other tops that can be shut down similarly.
Also everyone else is right: good luck coordinating a lane swap and early game dive in yoloq
Sure there is: Teemo is super squishy so easy to dive He has no good skills for CSing unlike Renekton's Q He has no inherent sustain like Nasus He has no waveclear like Shyvana So he's going to miss out on a shitload of CS and fall very far behind. He also doesn't build DShield normally unlike Renekton or Shyvana Teemo is annoying as hell.
And that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've done it in... normals LOL.
What is good about Renekton's Q for CSing?
Errrr... it's an AoE nuke with longer range than his auto attack that happens to heal him? Combined with his E he can single combo a wave after a few levels and he has an auto attack reset with W so it's actually great for CSing...
We're talking about 1v2 laning, and the quality of Renekton's Q for CSing was mentioned as a separate point from waveclear ability.
Another thing with longer range than Renekton's auto attack: Teemo's auto attack.
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