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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-01 01:31:10
April 01 2014 01:30 GMT
#2621
Hi all! After much discussion amongst the staff I am now laying down several new laws for the LoL General Discussion Thread.

  1. If you post like shit, you get mod actioned for being shit.
    We're been pretty lenient on bad posts so far. No more. If we think your post has flaws in it, we're going to mod action it. Will it be unfair sometimes? Yes. Deal with it. Learn to post better. If you are in doubt, then don't post at all.
  2. Report crap that makes no sense
    Things like arguing about game theory 99% of the time has no place in this thread. Quite frankly, trying to apply some form of rigorous "academic" analysis is futile because you have to make so many assumptions your final conclusion is crap. Models and theories have a time and place and are a cute way of doing thought experiments. Thought experiments are still useless if they're completely divorced from reality.
  3. Play better, play smarter, whine less
    Normal rules still apply. No QQ. No balance whine. No nonsence.
  4. GLHF
    Hey, you're playing a game! Relax!

I now leave you with some nice music. Mod actions will now be retroactive. If I feel like you're making me waste my time trawling through crap I reserve the right to mod action everyone.

Have fun!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 01 2014 01:31 GMT
#2622
On April 01 2014 09:43 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 08:54 Eppa! wrote:
Janna is about pushing towers and stopping engages and not teamfighting where she is bad which is why she is bad lategame which I always said. This is also what she would be doing well if she wasn't weak.



Janna isn't a tower pushing support. She isn't bad at it if no one is opposing her, but she isn't Sona, she doesn't win lane and keep shoving the lane down throats. She doesn't sustain a siege (though she can protect one). Janna has always been about peel for her carry. Her lategame is/was amazing because she provides so much peel for the carry near ensuring that your carry would be relevant lategame (bonus AD) and alive to do that damage (big shield, big heal on ultimate, big peel in Q and W and bonus move speed)

Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 08:57 cLutZ wrote:
On April 01 2014 08:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 01 2014 07:55 Goumindong wrote:
On April 01 2014 07:43 Eppa! wrote:

More items do not favour burst supports its more of the opposite because they have problems vs anything with 1.5 hp items or more. Sightstone and Crucible is the core items on supports neither gives much burst or survivability.


Depends on whom you're bursting. AD's and AP's did not get any more items. Janna has primarily been about protecting and advancing the power of a consistent DPS AD. The ability of your consistent DPS depends on the strength of the enemy team, both in the number and power of their tanks (whom you more or less have to kill first), and the number and power of their burst (who have the power to kill you before you can do anything) by adding more and more powerful of these, Janna has gotten weaker, even if she has more items herself.

In Season 3 you had 3-4 threats who had money. One was the enemy AD, so that is a combination of tank/burst out of 3 champions. Two tanks and one burst, or two burst and one tank were most common. Sometimes you got lucky(as Janna) and they had extra consistent damage champions

Now you have 5 threats who have money. One is the enemy AD. So you have 4 threats who have money. Call it two burst and two tank. Each one is making the advantage that Janna brought weaker. If they have more burst then you have a harder time protecting your squishies (and you're pretty squishy yourself). If they've more tank then the person you're protecting is less efficient.

eh, i think it's simpler than that. Janna is just weaker in every way than other supports. Want aoe cc? Pick Annie, Leona, Sona. Want to protect your AD carry? Pick Thresh, Lulu, Morgana. Her only redeeming quality was the fact that she had insane mobility via W (which got nerfed) and a very powerful global passive (which also got nerfed). She also could go mid, build AP and act as an insane tower pusher/seige defense, but that got nerfed too.

Riot took a sub-par support, then nerfed everything that was strong about her in the S4 support changes. The only thing she was ever picked for (post E nerfs, which was like...season 1~2) was her ability to disengage, which basically became useless/outclassed once people started picking up Shurelya's/Talisman.


Also, I think her S3 winrate was very related to how easy it was to throw with a lot of the popular champions, and Janna is a big anti-throw champ. Like, half of S3 was "Explode one person, watch as the rest of their team goes in 1v5 trying to save them, win the game." Janna, when decently strong, is very anti-throw, so you would probably win the majority of the games you were supposed to, plus the midlaners generated the picks in S3, not the supports so her lack of strong pick potential wasn't that much of a detriment.

Also people forget that the "changes" to Janna were straight nerfs to her. People probably have their minds clouded by the Lulu changes that turned out decently for Lulu, but Janna did not get that same treatment.


I agree with both of these things.

I think it was Dig vs Clg showed how you execute a push comp with Janna. She is good at sieging because she can stop engage which is why you pick her. She is one of the very few chars in the game which stop flanks reliably which Sona and Zyra are shitty at. AoE cc always beats peel because hard cc is better than knockbacks in teamfights. When she was strong mid she was good because she cleared waves with Q and her shield gave stupid amounts of health. When she was a strong support she gave the AD stupid amounts of free stats so you won lanes and pushed towers.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
April 01 2014 01:33 GMT
#2623
On April 01 2014 10:30 MoonBear wrote:
Things like arguing about game theory 99% of the time has no place in this thread.

Nice Aprils fool
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
April 01 2014 01:37 GMT
#2624
There was also that crazy Curse game vs. CLG where they ran Nunu jungle with Janna support and Jinx adc for massive early pushing. Zekent played a very strong Janna that game that kept CLG from engaging with the dragon ult several times, but the Curse comp just didn't do enough before they dropped off and one final teamfight finally sealed the deal. Imo it showed a lot if not all of Janna's strength's in one match.

Also lol at the Kill la Kill soundtrack in the background.
Call me Sunday
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 01 2014 01:39 GMT
#2625
wtf
BW -> League -> CSGO
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 01 2014 01:39 GMT
#2626
'k letting my TL LoL tab on page 131 till you guys spam enough.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 01 2014 01:42 GMT
#2627
way status:

[ ] not lost
[x] completely fucking lost
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 01 2014 01:43 GMT
#2628
So many burrs
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 01 2014 01:46 GMT
#2629
Don't lose your waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 01 2014 01:49 GMT
#2630
such css much html
episode 25 comes out in september thats so far away
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 01 2014 01:49 GMT
#2631
This is fuckin awesome. The jams, the plays, the bears.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 01 2014 01:50 GMT
#2632
ummmm.

what?
Porouscloud - NA LoL
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
April 01 2014 01:56 GMT
#2633
Good music what are song names?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
April 01 2014 01:58 GMT
#2634
On April 01 2014 10:56 traceurling wrote:
Good music what are song names?



This is the playlist
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
April 01 2014 02:02 GMT
#2635
On April 01 2014 10:58 NapKiN16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 10:56 traceurling wrote:
Good music what are song names?



This is the playlist

Thanks <3
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 01 2014 02:02 GMT
#2636
bear perfection
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
April 01 2014 02:08 GMT
#2637
NONSENSE IS KIND OF OUR THING!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 01 2014 02:09 GMT
#2638
Does this mean wearing TL shirts will improve my APM?

I think it does.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
April 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#2639
relevant to the title
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
WhiteWulf
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia244 Posts
April 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#2640
lol Nice Aprils fool
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