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On March 29 2014 01:08 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:06 Sufficiency wrote:On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied. Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules: 8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee is absolute and final and there is no appeal process. So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not? Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3 Go post it on reddit and start a shitstorm, man. I started reading the reddit thread afterwards and someone did actually mention this. Riot claims that the referee has to inform the team of a remake possibility but didn't therefore it's fine to do this post game. The issue with this is I can't find anywhere in the rulebook saying that a ref has to inform the team nor is there any type of appeal for post game remakes. According to Alex SK didn't even ask for a remake post game either. So where are all these rules coming from and what exactly is going on. Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied. Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules: 8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee is absolute and final and there is no appeal process. So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not? Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3 We're just assuming that Freddy mentioned the bug during the pause and Riot let them keep playing, it's possible the pause was for something else. It's also possible they didn't realize until after the game was over. No no they mentioned it. Look at the official statement: Upon discovering the bug, the disadvantaged team correctly paused and identified the problem, which was easily visible and verifiable upon replay Riot are saying that their rule is invalid since the ref didn't mention a remake to the player/team.
Just saw this and was about to edit my post. I got nothing then. Riot is fucking dumb.
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On March 29 2014 01:07 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:02 Numy wrote:On March 29 2014 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Not agreeing with the remake, I just don't think the system is as ripe for abuse as it was implied. Well now anytime there is a bug teams can just whine about not getting a remake. Also here is the offical Riot LCS rules: 8.3.3 Finality of Judgment. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee is absolute and final and there is no appeal process. So they are directly contradicting a rule here are they not? Download rulebook at http://euw.lolesports.com/about#tabs=3 We're just assuming that Freddy mentioned the bug during the pause and Riot let them keep playing, it's possible the pause was for something else. It's also possible they didn't realize until after the game was over. But I should probably stop defending Riot because the cynic in my has taken over and a big part in why they are remaking this game is probably due to the multiple Reddit threads that were made regarding the bug. Those other examples you've mentioned often went unnoticed, but Riot probably felt like they needed to "make right" on this bug due to fan outcry. Hadn't thought about that until now.
When Riot is running out of apologists you know something's not right. Poor onlywonderbb
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Its also put the champion in some limbo state where as far as I can tell its banned in LCS because of "OMGGAMEREMAKINGABLEBUG" but still pickable in matchmaking?
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I feel Nick Allen can potentially get fired for making this decision. This is extremely damaging for Riot and LCS.
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On March 29 2014 01:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Its also put the champion in some limbo state where as far as I can tell its banned in LCS because of "OMGGAMEREMAKINGABLEBUG" but still pickable in matchmaking?
I think Riot just misunderstood the reason for the angry posts. It looked like most people were merely upset that Riot still has all these bugs with heroes that they just never seem to fix. Riots reaction to this is to remake the game? It doesn't do anything except make people more angry since the root cause isn't being addressed at all. If they were to ban all the heroes with bugs we would be down to half a hero roster. Hell people STILL walk through J4 ulti after so many years.
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On March 29 2014 01:36 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Its also put the champion in some limbo state where as far as I can tell its banned in LCS because of "OMGGAMEREMAKINGABLEBUG" but still pickable in matchmaking? I think Riot just misunderstood the reason for the angry posts. It looked like most people were merely upset that Riot still has all these bugs with heroes that they just never seem to fix. Riots reaction to this is to remake the game? It doesn't do anything except make people more angry since the root cause isn't being addressed at all. If they were to ban all the heroes with bugs we would be down to half a hero roster. Hell people STILL walk through J4 ulti after so many years.
I actually think Riot made a terrible decision here.
I am pretty sure if they just kept the result for that game, there won't be as much shitstorm as it is now.
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Most of the time I say Riot don't know what they're doing because I don't like the direction the game is going, but this time I'm pretty sure they actually don't know what they're doing.
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Legitimately, I think. Remaking the game is inconsistent with the official rules as well as the precedent of previous games.
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i don't get it, whats the bug?
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Yeah I think Gambit could have written the article in a better way, but their complaints are definitely legitimate. There are multiple good arguments as to why Riot shouldn't be doing this.
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On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug?
Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.
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I mean, the whole point of having so many games in a season is so small shit like this can slip through the cracks and not matter.
Too bad Eu's top 4 are all in contention for first place (or is it just top 3?)
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On March 29 2014 02:12 Ketara wrote:
Yeah I think Gambit could have written the article in a better way, but their complaints are definitely legitimate. There are multiple good arguments as to why Riot shouldn't be doing this.
Article was fine, imo. Gambit has every right to be pissed off.
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On March 29 2014 02:13 Ketara wrote:Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit.
Apparently though darien only needed to switch W once to fix it.
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They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."
It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.
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On March 29 2014 02:21 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 02:13 Ketara wrote:On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug? Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit. Apparently though darien only needed to switch W once to fix it.
lol if he fixed it mid game then why are they crying about it? thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, he saw the bug and fixed it. its not like him getting increased healing for like.. a minute or two when nothing came out of its going to matter
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On March 29 2014 02:21 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 02:13 Ketara wrote:On March 29 2014 02:12 arb wrote:
i don't get it, whats the bug? Apparently at one point of the game Aatrox's heal was going every 2nd hit instead of every 3rd hit. Apparently though darien only needed to switch W once to fix it.
From what Alex wrote they didn't even know about the bug until they read about the reddit thread this morning. Darien switched his w to the extra damage proc some minutes after the initial pause and it was fixed in game.
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On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."
It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.
You're oversimplifying it. They explained the situation, and detailed how and why they believe that it had no outcome on the game. They then backed up their assessment with the rules/precedent.
There's absolutely no need for moral high ground here. Riot is screwing them over, and they are responding to it.
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