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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
March 22 2014 12:37 GMT
#1101
On March 22 2014 21:28 arb wrote:
Pretty sure that Graves buff will make him retarded good botlane without the severe drop off from someone face tanking his ult


Pretty sure Graves will still be terrible.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 22 2014 13:07 GMT
#1102
On March 22 2014 21:19 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 17:02 Chrispy wrote:
Naniwa with the mad respect for Faker and for League's skill cap in his interview with Thorin. Naniwa's been playing League lately too.

Neato.

idk if naniwa would be good in a team game like league lol.

Maybe he'd be like uzi and needs someone to tame him to unlock his potential. That's when sase switches to league and naniwa/sase becomes the greatest bot lane ever.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 22 2014 13:52 GMT
#1103
On March 22 2014 21:28 arb wrote:
Pretty sure that Graves buff will make him retarded good botlane without the severe drop off from someone face tanking his ult

Yeah....no.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 15:37:44
March 22 2014 15:35 GMT
#1104
mandu's twitch stream

http://www.twitch.tv/free7037

his struggle against xsplit continues.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 22 2014 16:00 GMT
#1105
The weird thing about the gragas q change is I don't see how a melee is going to charge it up
Freeeeeeedom
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 16:15:11
March 22 2014 16:07 GMT
#1106
im so fucking annoyed by the trinket change, nothing like going to ur 2nd buff and see it stolen zzzzzzz
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 22 2014 16:22 GMT
#1107
Did some analysis on Yasuo counters, results below (with all the junks filtered out):

[image loading]

When Yasuo plays against Nidalee, for example, Yasuo wins 4.8756% more often, after adjusting for overall power of Yasuo and Nidalee. On the other hand, he seems to lose (1 - 0.9.622) * 100% more often against Fizz, after adjusting for overall power of Yasuo and Fizz.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 22 2014 16:28 GMT
#1108
On March 23 2014 00:35 oneofthem wrote:
mandu's twitch stream

http://www.twitch.tv/free7037

his struggle against xsplit continues.


surprised he streams on twitch instead of afreeca where he'd probably make more money.

While I like that he streams to the west now, it's still questionable considering he's on break "for health reasons."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 22 2014 16:32 GMT
#1109
On March 22 2014 21:37 Prog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 21:28 arb wrote:
Pretty sure that Graves buff will make him retarded good botlane without the severe drop off from someone face tanking his ult


Pretty sure Graves will still be terrible.

Agreed. His ult being plain outclassed by jinx ult is one weakness and will be addressed by this change, but he has a ton of other weaknesses that make him underplayed like his low range.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 22 2014 16:40 GMT
#1110
On March 23 2014 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Did some analysis on Yasuo counters, results below (with all the junks filtered out):

[image loading]

When Yasuo plays against Nidalee, for example, Yasuo wins 4.8756% more often, after adjusting for overall power of Yasuo and Nidalee. On the other hand, he seems to lose (1 - 0.9.622) * 100% more often against Fizz, after adjusting for overall power of Yasuo and Fizz.


Would be interested to see data from this project on Lux for the Lux guide. tyty
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 22 2014 16:46 GMT
#1111
On March 23 2014 01:40 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2014 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Did some analysis on Yasuo counters, results below (with all the junks filtered out):

[image loading]

When Yasuo plays against Nidalee, for example, Yasuo wins 4.8756% more often, after adjusting for overall power of Yasuo and Nidalee. On the other hand, he seems to lose (1 - 0.9.622) * 100% more often against Fizz, after adjusting for overall power of Yasuo and Fizz.


Would be interested to see data from this project on Lux for the Lux guide. tyty


I am going to run it for Lux and Veigar once my current batch is done. So maybe later tonight? We'll see. I can eventually do it for every champion, but right now it takes ~1 hour per champion so it's kind of slow.

Meanwhile, here's Leona:

[image loading]

I really like this new format better. It's easier to read.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 22 2014 17:15 GMT
#1112
On March 23 2014 01:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 21:37 Prog wrote:
On March 22 2014 21:28 arb wrote:
Pretty sure that Graves buff will make him retarded good botlane without the severe drop off from someone face tanking his ult


Pretty sure Graves will still be terrible.

Agreed. His ult being plain outclassed by jinx ult is one weakness and will be addressed by this change, but he has a ton of other weaknesses that make him underplayed like his low range.


I'd like it if they tweaked Graves a bit, maybe gave him some horrendous base attack speed but significantly increased his passive defense steroid and the rest of his damage mitigation and turned him into a character that was a poor AD but was extremely effective as close-range bruiser.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 22 2014 17:19 GMT
#1113
You mean apart from the fact that he already has 0.625 base AS and only 2.9% per level, making him bottom of the barrel in that regard?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 22 2014 17:20 GMT
#1114
Problem with graves is he doesn't really fit the meta AND his numbers are a bit on the low side.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 22 2014 17:32 GMT
#1115
lets face it, graves is just a bad lucian. he would need significant buffs to get play over said champion. Probably on his tankiness or his smoke or something that gives him an actual niche because Lucian outclasses him in every other way.

The only reason to pick him ever seems like if you are doing some gimmicky darkness comp or something. nocturne/graves/bunch of assassins so other team has no idea whats goin on or something trl0l0l0l
I come in for the scraps
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 22 2014 17:58 GMT
#1116
On March 23 2014 02:20 nafta wrote:
Problem with graves is he doesn't really fit the meta AND his numbers are a bit on the low side.

Sir, if you buy a hurricane you can basically have E always up!
God Bless
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 22 2014 17:59 GMT
#1117
On March 23 2014 02:19 Alaric wrote:
You mean apart from the fact that he already has 0.625 base AS and only 2.9% per level, making him bottom of the barrel in that regard?


Except that Jinx, Ezreal, Corki and Sivir all have lower AS at 18.

And its not like quickdraw is a massive steroid or anything.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 22 2014 18:02 GMT
#1118
I think that having low range, low utility and unimpressive self peel make Graves pretty meh.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 22 2014 18:03 GMT
#1119
Also the really high mana costs are kind of a problem
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 22 2014 18:16 GMT
#1120
On March 23 2014 02:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2014 02:19 Alaric wrote:
You mean apart from the fact that he already has 0.625 base AS and only 2.9% per level, making him bottom of the barrel in that regard?


Except that Jinx, Ezreal, Corki and Sivir all have lower AS at 18.

And its not like quickdraw is a massive steroid or anything.

Yeah, it's not like Jinx's steroid beats his natural AS after one attack, and his own steroid after two, and that if she doesn't use it she has a 175 range advantage on him.
It's not like Sivir's steroid is bigger than his and she deals better AoE damage than him in terms of dps so after his burst (which is low by level 18 standard) she'll quickly gain the advantage.
Oh, or the fact that Corki's spells give him way more damage and that he can effectively kite with missiles for a way longer reach than his.
Ezreal was specifically set to the same AS as him around when W was broken. He has longer reach with Q, and his steroid is virtually always up.

So yeah, for someone who's got one of the shortest ranges and reaches, he's actually not outputting much dps. Also his base AS+range mean it's actually a pain to last hit with him early on against a lane with range advantage for example (stuff like Leona makes up for it because it provides a big threat to create space after level 2).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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