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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On March 23 2014 03:20 phyvo wrote: IDK, Riot keeps on saying they don't want champions to simply eclipse other champions but the combination of having so many and their current philosophy makes it seem basically impossible. I kinda wish I knew the history of other mobas so that I could compare them all and make wise-sounding pronouncements about methods of balance. Well since you can't play LoL online with those servers it's even worst, they can't get information about balance ! (That's my theory when I see the last changes) | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
And these are adjusted for said champions overall winrate? I really don't understand what the P value means. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 23 2014 03:16 Alaric wrote: Yeah, it's not like Jinx's steroid beats his natural AS after one attack, and his own steroid after two, and that if she doesn't use it she has a 175 range advantage on him. It's not like Sivir's steroid is bigger than his and she deals better AoE damage than him in terms of dps so after his burst (which is low by level 18 standard) she'll quickly gain the advantage. Oh, or the fact that Corki's spells give him way more damage and that he can effectively kite with missiles for a way longer reach than his. Ezreal was specifically set to the same AS as him around when W was broken. He has longer reach with Q, and his steroid is virtually always up. So yeah, for someone who's got one of the shortest ranges and reaches, he's actually not outputting much dps. Also his base AS+range mean it's actually a pain to last hit with him early on against a lane with range advantage for example (stuff like Leona makes up for it because it provides a big threat to create space after level 2). I'm not sure why we're arguing these numbers at this point, because I'm fairly sure we are capable of using the LolWiki and citing numbers to support points. I know Graves is crap at this point and I'm not going to argue to the contrary. The point I made, which you seem to have missed, is that FOTM champs may not necessarily have the best base stats. Base stats barely matter if the rest of your kit is good enough, which is something I said about Jinx when she first came out. Anyways, this is completely unrelated to what I originally said about gutting Graves' already mediocre attack speed and giving him better damage mitigation (I'd even be okay with doubling his passive honestly, though maybe cap stacks at 8) to effectively change him into a ranged bruiser with decent sustained damage- not a true marksman or whatever, but maybe someone who would be an effective toplane. I doubt Riot will ever redo a champ to be a different or potentially meta-ambiguous role though, so that's a shame. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
It's pretty fun, if you are looking for something different might be fun! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KF3L31d.png) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 23 2014 03:57 Ketara wrote: Are the reds the ones she does well against or the ones she does poorly against? I'm pretty sure blue is good and red is bad yes? And these are adjusted for said champions overall winrate? I really don't understand what the P value means. pretty much obvious that lux does good against people with no strong gap closer. and bad against anyone that can blink. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 23 2014 04:28 arb wrote: I feel like the attack speed nerf is what really caused people to stop playing him. Not that long ago it was Graves/Corki/Ezreal in every game anyways Not that long ago meaning season 2 Those were the good old days  | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 23 2014 03:57 Ketara wrote: Are the reds the ones she does well against or the ones she does poorly against? I'm pretty sure blue is good and red is bad yes? And these are adjusted for said champions overall winrate? I really don't understand what the P value means. Blue -> Lux is strong against Red -> Lux is weak against. Yes, adjustments were made already. EDIT: read the table as follows. p-value < 0.02: strong evidence of good/match match up p-value > 0.02 but < 0.05: weak evidence p-value > 0.05: no evidence | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Nothing really surprising I suppose. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 23 2014 04:29 ticklishmusic wrote: Not that long ago meaning season 2 Those were the good old days I admit it got stale to see every game but it was alot better than dealing with some retard playing Caitlyn, or someone playing Jinx and still being relevant due to her retarded ass ult | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 23 2014 04:34 Ketara wrote: So what we can get from this is Lux is apparently good against Corki, Skarner, Volibear and Kassadin, bad against Ahri, and nobody is playing her. Yes. That's what the methodology tells us. Not very good, I know. Lux isn't very popular though - the sample size isn't too big. If I had more data maybe I can infer more interesting things. Eiii please. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On March 23 2014 04:34 Ketara wrote: So what we can get from this is Lux is apparently good against Corki, Skarner, Volibear and Kassadin, bad against Ahri, and nobody is playing her. Nothing really surprising I suppose. I think the real take away from this information is that Urgot hard counters Lux. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On March 23 2014 04:39 Frudgey wrote: I think the real take away from this information is that Urgot hard counters Lux. Clearly. I know I've played Lux vs mid Urgot but it was so long ago and probably only one game and I can't remember it at all. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 23 2014 04:42 Ketara wrote: Clearly. I know I've played Lux vs mid Urgot but it was so long ago and probably only one game and I can't remember it at all. Statistically speaking you got curbstomped. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
That would be the shit and probably far closer to theoretically sound. And Ahri should get dunked by a good Lux imo, even if the data doesn't show it. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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