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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 20 2014 21:09 GMT
#741
On March 21 2014 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 05:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:28 Requizen wrote:
Actually, I'd be ok with them nerfing the range that badly if they compensated by removing the channel time or buffing it in some other way (stunning within the landing zone or something). As is it's shit, tho.

But but but they lowered the CD!

Edit: Nerfing the popular Jungle champs sequentially is getting pretty annoying though. I don't mind the current state of the Jungle, but if they just keep nerfing them one by one it's gonna get stupid. Wukong even more of a priority pick I guess.

That's just how Riot approaches their balance. nerf what's popular without thinking how it creates a rotation of what's op'd.

Yeah, I know it's their MO but it's just been really been bothering me with the Jungle recently. Maybe it's just more blatant, idk.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2014 21:10 GMT
#742
He's actually pretty meh if you can set him behind early, yeah, because he still doesn't jungle that fast (although faster than before). You won't do that 1v1 unless you're Lee or Elise obviously.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 21:16:24
March 20 2014 21:14 GMT
#743
On March 21 2014 05:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
We need RiotKetara to explain how this is a brilliant change.


Yeah no, that Grand Skyfall range nerf looks like some Olaf level BS to me.

Especially if you look at it from a mid/top Panth perspective.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 21:20:55
March 20 2014 21:16 GMT
#744
On March 21 2014 06:09 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:28 Requizen wrote:
Actually, I'd be ok with them nerfing the range that badly if they compensated by removing the channel time or buffing it in some other way (stunning within the landing zone or something). As is it's shit, tho.

But but but they lowered the CD!

Edit: Nerfing the popular Jungle champs sequentially is getting pretty annoying though. I don't mind the current state of the Jungle, but if they just keep nerfing them one by one it's gonna get stupid. Wukong even more of a priority pick I guess.

That's just how Riot approaches their balance. nerf what's popular without thinking how it creates a rotation of what's op'd.

Yeah, I know it's their MO but it's just been really been bothering me with the Jungle recently. Maybe it's just more blatant, idk.

The issue is jungle in general now has a far bigger impact in the game (what riot wanted). But now they're misattributing the problem with current rotation of champion in jungle pool, with "oh these champions are out of line", when in reality it's the role in general being really strong, not the champion pool. If they were just willing to buff ADC's, it would make junglers as a role overall to be a slightly weaker force in the game.
liftlift > tsm
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 20 2014 21:17 GMT
#745
please show on patch notes where it says removing channel to compensate
you are all being too hopeful hahahaha
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 20 2014 21:18 GMT
#746
Remember when Atrioc made that awesome Panth guide and said "The best thing about Pantheon is he's hipster and will never be nerfed!"

Sad day.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 20 2014 21:21 GMT
#747
On March 21 2014 06:18 Ketara wrote:
Remember when Atrioc made that awesome Panth guide and said "The best thing about Pantheon is he's hipster and will never be nerfed!"

Sad day.


That's right! We KNOW who needs to be blamed for this. Thanks for making Pantheon popular Atrioc. THANKS A LOT.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 21:23:57
March 20 2014 21:23 GMT
#748
Once all the single-target junglers have been nerfed into Olaf-tier, jungle GP will actually be a thing and they'll have to nerf his ult too.

Then the only thing left will be AoE clears and Riot will have to rebalance camp monster HP values until each camp is just a single large monster and only Warwick can clear without dying.

#thedream
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 20 2014 21:25 GMT
#749
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 20 2014 21:26 GMT
#750
On March 21 2014 06:25 IMoperator wrote:
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?


No.

Otherwise all Challenger players ignore WildTurtle.
I am the Town Medic.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 20 2014 21:28 GMT
#751
Riot did the same thing with the jungle at the start of season 3. They killed a fotm jungler just about every patch for some time.

It's a little expectable. Giant sweeping changes don't come to the lanes in a season patch the way they do in the jungle, and it's not surprising that when a season patch hits suddenly the balance level of jungle champions is wildly different.

Not to excuse the Pantheon change, which does look like quite the Olaf-ing, but more that it's not very surprising to see it happen. It's just upsetting.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 21:33 GMT
#752
I'm still not sure which is more hilarious, the Lee Sin changes that were mentioned or this PBE Panth change.
liftlift > tsm
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 20 2014 21:35 GMT
#753
why does riot slaughter certain champs but then leave some perfectly fine? aka wukong
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 21:37 GMT
#754
On March 21 2014 06:35 IMoperator wrote:
why does riot slaughter certain champs but then leave some perfectly fine? aka wukong

Because they're perfectly fine.
liftlift > tsm
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
March 20 2014 21:38 GMT
#755
On March 21 2014 06:28 Ketara wrote:
Riot did the same thing with the jungle at the start of season 3. They killed a fotm jungler just about every patch for some time.


Admittedly some of those changes were needed, though. Like when Nunu was must-ban because consume did about double the damage of smite at early levels and he just ran around stealing all your camps.

But yeah, these Lee and Panth changes seem like they're going in entirely the wrong direction.
Call me Sunday
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 20 2014 21:41 GMT
#756
Wow they butchered panth ...., kinda over did it imo
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 21:47:19
March 20 2014 21:45 GMT
#757
Yeah Pantheons ult got Nocturne'd~(PBE) I think its kinda sad that these global and pseudo global ults are getting nerfed and nerfed again. It made some champions more unique and some games more exciting. Meanwhile champion like Gangplank who got real global ult are not getting changed~ Just Nocturne his ult too and rework his E for gods sake~.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 20 2014 21:49 GMT
#758
On March 21 2014 06:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:35 IMoperator wrote:
why does riot slaughter certain champs but then leave some perfectly fine? aka wukong

Because they're perfectly fine.

I mean, I thought he was a little on the strong side and now that's going to be confounded with the Lee, Elise, and Panth nerfs.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 20 2014 21:49 GMT
#759
To be fair does Gp ult even do damage? I stay in it when an enemy gp ultd
Lol
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 20 2014 21:51 GMT
#760
GP ult is dumb and needs to have the RNG taken away.

GP is one of my favorite champion concepts and has all sorts of reasons that make something that is potentially super cool awful in practice. He's one that I think actually does need a rework.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
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