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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 01 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote: Skip cutlass. Use vamp sceptre as stop gap measure and finish shiv imo. Or go straight to botrk. The downside of cutlass is that it only builds into BotRK but when you have no ad ratios or auto attack modifiers (like auto crit) besides some not always up attack speed the BotRK is a better third or fourth item compared to BT. And if you're going to go with the BotRK over BT anyway might as well get the cutlass | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
Dyrus going to win over Balls Xpecial going to win over aphromoo Fanboys #1 | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On April 01 2014 05:36 MooMooMugi wrote: Sad thing about all-stars voting is that its a popularity contest Dyrus going to win over Balls Xpecial going to win over aphromoo Fanboys #1 Only 2 people from each region are voted in anyway... Format is not the same as last year. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Janna is bad because she is weak. Her kit is fine if they didn't destroy her support potential with weak numbers and stopping Q from being a 1 point wonder. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I feel like the problem with Janna is that she can't be aggressive early in the game, her playstyle has to be reactionary, and aggressive early play is like the only way to play right now. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
In fact there are a lot of good nonagressive supports Sona and Kayle are fine as support with weak laning phases and Kayle is twice as good as Janna lategame. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 01 2014 05:53 Eppa! wrote: Why would anyone ever play a niche champ like Janna when Morgana is much better than her? Morg is not even a strong pick other than she shuts out leona. In fact there are a lot of good nonagressive supports Sona and Kayle are fine as support with weak laning phases and Kayle is twice as good as Janna lategame. I think this is a little off the mark in regard to why Janna is not widely used. The problem is ADC's no longer do the damage they used to, back when 1 fed adc (kog/vayne/trist) was all the damage output you need Janna reigned king (queen) because she could peel really hard for the ADC. Now a days ADC's don't do the damage they used to, and are far more vulnerable than their older season counterpart. So it's much better to have supports that have some form of reliable engage in their kit. Just look at all FotM support, morgana/leona/annie/karma/ | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
It is a wonder she did not become more popular earlier. Janna has an amazing late game if she can get there but doesn't offer engage potential and has one of the weakest laning phases of any support. The nerfs to her w and q when other supports got buffed certainly did remove her from contention. PS Sona and Kayle are aggressive supports. They're not all-in but you have to be aggressive to make them work. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On April 01 2014 05:36 MooMooMugi wrote: Sad thing about all-stars voting is that its a popularity contest Dyrus going to win over Balls Xpecial going to win over aphromoo Fanboys #1 The voting is just gonna decide who goes to play in troll games not like it matters lol. The top team is playing in the real tournament anyways. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:02 wei2coolman wrote: I think this is a little off the mark in regard to why Janna is not widely used. The problem is ADC's no longer do the damage they used to, back when 1 fed adc (kog/vayne/trist) was all the damage output you need Janna reigned king (queen) because she could peel really hard for the ADC. Now a days ADC's don't do the damage they used to, and are far more vulnerable than their older season counterpart. So it's much better to have supports that have some form of reliable engage in their kit. Just look at all FotM support, morgana/leona/annie/karma/ The increased gold has really favored the harder scaling supports. Whereas prior to s4 a Leona had more or less a hard limit on how tanky she could be this is no longer the case. Similarly Annie could only burst so hard. This made consistent peel comparatively strong because the tanky supports would die and the bursty supports wouldn't kill anyone. Now that the bursty supports kill and the tanky supports live the guy adding shields in the back line isn't as valuable. A lot of Janna's power came from hidden stats (bonus move speed mainly) as well which additional gold makes less relevant (while other supports had their bonus stats value magnified by more items) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:14 Slayer91 wrote: i dunno if xpecial would beat aphromoo, xpecial is kinda boring he's just in tsm Xpecial only gets like 1.5k viewers at best, compared to the 20k numbers dyrus/oddone/bjergsen and sometimes wildturtle pulls in I get the impression not that many actually care for xpecial himself. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The voting is just gonna decide who goes to play in troll games not like it matters lol. The top team is playing in the real tournament anyways. Man, I hope TSM goes to Paris over C9. Anyone know if KR going to send this season's OGN winners or are they going to default to SKT K? | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:32 silencefc wrote: Man, I hope TSM goes to Paris over C9. Anyone know if KR going to send this season's OGN winners or are they going to default to SKT K? CLG will go. SKT will go because they amassed so many points due to the Winter season and Allstars is before the Spring Finals. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:13 Goumindong wrote: The increased gold has really favored the harder scaling supports. Whereas prior to s4 a Leona had more or less a hard limit on how tanky she could be this is no longer the case. Similarly Annie could only burst so hard. This made consistent peel comparatively strong because the tanky supports would die and the bursty supports wouldn't kill anyone. Now that the bursty supports kill and the tanky supports live the guy adding shields in the back line isn't as valuable. A lot of Janna's power came from hidden stats (bonus move speed mainly) as well which additional gold makes less relevant (while other supports had their bonus stats value magnified by more items) rarely do we see people actually building any ap on bursty supports. Annie support at pro play is still mikaels+talisman+sightstone. Even karma support rarely gets AP as well. The tanky support is somewhat true, but I don't think that's the point. Leona was still seeing quite a bit of play in s3. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Holy crap the burst from just pieces of DFG and Claim when she hits level 11. And the silence is so annoying as a Lulu (last game I played was against a Soraka support, he started W so Draven and I smashed Lucian and him, but there were several points where his silence would delay or altogether prevent my ult/shield/crucible, securing kills on low allies). She fell off after that since she couldn't find gold anymore (plus Fiddle stopped failing his ult so we started winning fights despite Jayce actively avoiding us), but at that timing it was really brutal. I don't think I've seen an Annie more than maybe 5 times in Gold though, over 30+ games. It's a bit surprising actually, people were faster to jump on Morgana than on Annie, and Thresh is still super popular. | ||
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