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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
February 11 2014 22:49 GMT
#341
On February 12 2014 07:17 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 06:53 Goumindong wrote:
[SNIP]

Okay.

  • Your posts is a mess. Maximum value of likelihood of what? Of a streak? How do you even do an MLE on that. Are you trying to solve for the probability of being assigned first pick? A basic sense check tells you 8% is far too low.
  • Then you try to combine Bayesian statistics by trying to bring in inference? Or is this just a comment that if you have a large enough sample size, eventually even small probabilities happen?
  • You final question about whether someone else experiencing this is somehow related to luck or something I don't even know what you're trying to test here. That somehow if someone else experiences a low probability event it somehow means you're not experiencing confirmation bias?


I am going to kill this stats discussion right here and now because it is so bad.


1) There is no Bayesian analysis necessary
2) There is no MLE going on (why would you have MLE going on?)

What is going on is a back of the napkin count done so that I don't have to run a Monte Carlo simulation on the distribution or do the actual counting which is not simple though in this case simply tedious enough that I don't want to do it.

I did make an error in the count though. I had carried a term from when i was looking at the problem in a different way. Probability of a streak of 3 in 9 caps out at .7% for an individual.

By simple count we have

Success, Success, Success, any, any, any, any, any, any = .1% of the population of the set of possibilities. There are 7 of these, from 3 success, 6 any, to 6 any, 3 success. The sum of that indicates .7%

But they overlap because 3 success, 6 any contains 4 success, 5 any and so does 1 any, 3 success, 4 any. The count of the overlap i don't care to do. So i just state that my estimate is high.


User was warned for this post
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 11 2014 22:53 GMT
#342
Please stop these statistics posts x.x
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
February 11 2014 22:55 GMT
#343
When I said "I am going to kill this stats discussion right here and now because it is so bad." perhaps I was not clear enough?

No more stats discussion. If you have an issue with it, PM me instead of posting here.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 11 2014 22:55 GMT
#344
Is it me or does the new champ look really awesome? His kit seems pretty interesting too
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 11 2014 23:09 GMT
#345
On February 12 2014 07:55 Yezzus wrote:
Is it me or does the new champ look really awesome? His kit seems pretty interesting too

I'm just waiting patiently until TL ruins this guy for me too. Every time, I'm like "OMG this champ looks so rad" and then the unstoppable wave of cynicism makes me feel bad. At least it's not as bad as the movie forums.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 11 2014 23:11 GMT
#346
oh god, i hate when i read wrong math and cant correct it aaaaah





anyways, scip did you test skarner yet?
Or someone else that knows what he is doing.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 11 2014 23:12 GMT
#347
On February 12 2014 07:55 Yezzus wrote:
Is it me or does the new champ look really awesome? His kit seems pretty interesting too

Will put a new meaning to rape, when you see all the highlight vids that will come out.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 11 2014 23:16 GMT
#348
Can't wait to play velkoz/annie bot lane.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
February 11 2014 23:18 GMT
#349
On February 12 2014 07:42 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 07:21 canikizu wrote:
Not to mention Tencent just got distribution right for HoN in China. Apparently there will be a new blind-pick mode, you can't see the other team picking, you don't lose gold when dying, and everybody has one free dedicate courier.

Doesn't HoN already give your team a free courier? Or do you mean per-player?

per player, and it's invulnerable too last time I read.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 11 2014 23:18 GMT
#350
On February 12 2014 08:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 07:55 Yezzus wrote:
Is it me or does the new champ look really awesome? His kit seems pretty interesting too

I'm just waiting patiently until TL ruins this guy for me too. Every time, I'm like "OMG this champ looks so rad" and then the unstoppable wave of cynicism makes me feel bad. At least it's not as bad as the movie forums.


I think people pretty much Unanimously liked Jinx didn't they? And Lissandra was a total TeamLiquid favorite when she was released.

Its just when you release certain kinds of champions in a row...
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 11 2014 23:23 GMT
#351
--- Nuked ---
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
February 11 2014 23:25 GMT
#352
You know, I think I"m gonna stop playing solo Q for a while, at least until I find someone I can duo with. I can carry some bad players if I get my position (jungle) but there's only so much I can do at my MMR at that role. Like it doesn't seem to matter if I get 2 kills and farm up a storm in the jungle if by the end of lane phase bot, mid or top feed the enemy, even after I gave them support or a gank.

All I want is to get to Gold, that's it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22281 Posts
February 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#353
Is there any reason why Tresh Hook has to be immune to getting canceled by displacement effects?
Aka pushing him with Gragus Ulti before the hook leaves his model will still make it get cast.
Why
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22281 Posts
February 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#354
On February 12 2014 08:25 Kinie wrote:
You know, I think I"m gonna stop playing solo Q for a while, at least until I find someone I can duo with. I can carry some bad players if I get my position (jungle) but there's only so much I can do at my MMR at that role. Like it doesn't seem to matter if I get 2 kills and farm up a storm in the jungle if by the end of lane phase bot, mid or top feed the enemy, even after I gave them support or a gank.

All I want is to get to Gold, that's it.

Dont worry. It gets no better in Gold.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#355
On February 12 2014 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
Is there any reason why Tresh Hook has to be immune to getting canceled by displacement effects?
Aka pushing him with Gragus Ulti before the hook leaves his model will still make it get cast.
Why

This is the case with a lot of spells? Not sure why you're singling thresh out
Bronze player stuck in platinum
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 11 2014 23:28 GMT
#356
I even got last pick as "captain" (I was the one inviting) when duoing with a guy that's atleast 4-5 divisions above me. So the whole "captain always gets first pick if one of you does" certainly isn't implemented. We've also been fp/lp all five games today so I highly doubt it's random.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
February 11 2014 23:29 GMT
#357
On February 12 2014 07:17 Celial wrote:
Runes/Masteries for Aatrox and Darius? For Nocturne I'm going to try Ninjakens guide.



I just go ad reds/quints armor yellows mr blues. Prob not perfect but close enough, since it isn't my main role. (Darius)
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
February 11 2014 23:30 GMT
#358
On February 12 2014 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 08:25 Kinie wrote:
You know, I think I"m gonna stop playing solo Q for a while, at least until I find someone I can duo with. I can carry some bad players if I get my position (jungle) but there's only so much I can do at my MMR at that role. Like it doesn't seem to matter if I get 2 kills and farm up a storm in the jungle if by the end of lane phase bot, mid or top feed the enemy, even after I gave them support or a gank.

All I want is to get to Gold, that's it.

Dont worry. It gets no better in Gold.

And then gets even worse in Platinum
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 23:32:47
February 11 2014 23:31 GMT
#359
On February 12 2014 08:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 07:55 Yezzus wrote:
Is it me or does the new champ look really awesome? His kit seems pretty interesting too

I'm just waiting patiently until TL ruins this guy for me too. Every time, I'm like "OMG this champ looks so rad" and then the unstoppable wave of cynicism makes me feel bad. At least it's not as bad as the movie forums.

I think the new champ looks pretty awesome. Feels like he can do some awesome plays with his Q(? 90 degrees one)

Edit:

On February 12 2014 08:30 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 12 2014 08:25 Kinie wrote:
You know, I think I"m gonna stop playing solo Q for a while, at least until I find someone I can duo with. I can carry some bad players if I get my position (jungle) but there's only so much I can do at my MMR at that role. Like it doesn't seem to matter if I get 2 kills and farm up a storm in the jungle if by the end of lane phase bot, mid or top feed the enemy, even after I gave them support or a gank.

All I want is to get to Gold, that's it.

Dont worry. It gets no better in Gold.

And then gets even worse in Platinum


It's the best in Bronze. JUST GET YOURSELF DEMOTED EZPZ
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 23:39:22
February 11 2014 23:32 GMT
#360
Xerath was unsatisfying to play, they rework him..

new ult looks like flicking marbles at your enemy...plink plink plink

also E projectile doesn't match hitbox at all, and lack of detonation effect makes it hard to see if you hit them or it got creepblocked when you have to immediately follow up with WQ.

also Q can't be instantly fired by pressing QQ like vi's can, which is odd and annoying.

EDIT: ok you can QQ, but not with high ping, obnoxious

EDIT: ok you can QQ but not too fast...they should really fix that
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
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