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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 25 2014 19:12 GMT
#2561
So offlaners able to get away with a farm lane, thus making them able to take TP for potentially longer reach than Ziggs in terms of mobility, have nothing to do with a meta you claim to be "all about mobility".

Yeah, sure.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 25 2014 19:22 GMT
#2562
On February 26 2014 03:44 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 03:20 IMoperator wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:16 Alaric wrote:
Mundo Trundle Ziggs #1 mobility champions obv.

Why the fuck did I double post. Am I already tired? This evening gonna be fun then. ._.

why would you add tanky top laners into this discussion when tops never leave their lane in the first place? Anyway, ziggs can be kinda counted as mobile since your ult can clear waves or add damage to team fights from far away.


In a meta where Shyvana is relevant, Ori is relevant.


Ori is definitely relevant. She is just hard to play. And won't reward excellent play as much as Gragas or Leblanc. Fed Leblanc or Gragas = GG, fed Ori is less crystal clear if she doesn't have a good ball delivery system, and even those still leave room for outplays.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 25 2014 19:24 GMT
#2563
which was my original statement she has a favorable match up vs. LB but it's harder to get outplayed with Lulu's point and click damage system.
Carrilord has arrived.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 19:30:50
February 25 2014 19:28 GMT
#2564
The ori+shyvana combo is not quite as good as a lulu+shyvana in my opinion, but I still think there is a place for orianna. I also think lulu has taken the sport orianna originally had.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 25 2014 19:32 GMT
#2565
On February 26 2014 04:28 Nos- wrote:
The ori+shyvana combo is not quite as good as a lulu+shyvana in my opinion, but I still think there is a place for orianna. I also think lulu has taken the sport orianna originally had.


I love both characters, so i don't mind much. The problem is Riot probably doesn't love Lulu mid that much. Maybe they shouldn't have turned botlane into a kill lane...
Freeeeeeedom
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 19:47:25
February 25 2014 19:45 GMT
#2566
On February 26 2014 04:22 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 03:44 Slusher wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:20 IMoperator wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:16 Alaric wrote:
Mundo Trundle Ziggs #1 mobility champions obv.

Why the fuck did I double post. Am I already tired? This evening gonna be fun then. ._.

why would you add tanky top laners into this discussion when tops never leave their lane in the first place? Anyway, ziggs can be kinda counted as mobile since your ult can clear waves or add damage to team fights from far away.


In a meta where Shyvana is relevant, Ori is relevant.


Ori is definitely relevant. She is just hard to play. And won't reward excellent play as much as Gragas or Leblanc. Fed Leblanc or Gragas = GG, fed Ori is less crystal clear if she doesn't have a good ball delivery system, and even those still leave room for outplays.


Ori is just one of those characters where it doesn't matter how good a game you have if you miss your ult in the last fight.

edit: its less that she is hard to play and more that a miss means a significant effective CD on the entire kit. Whereas, if you wiff an ability on any other champion its not a large deal because you have 3 more abilities to use, if you wiff an ability on Ori you wiff every ability on ori.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
February 25 2014 19:59 GMT
#2567
In other news, triple Dignatoss queue, kiwipie/crumbz, rounded out with Bischu and RF Legendary,
Steam: rook492
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 25 2014 20:03 GMT
#2568
On February 26 2014 04:45 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 04:22 cLutZ wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:44 Slusher wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:20 IMoperator wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:16 Alaric wrote:
Mundo Trundle Ziggs #1 mobility champions obv.

Why the fuck did I double post. Am I already tired? This evening gonna be fun then. ._.

why would you add tanky top laners into this discussion when tops never leave their lane in the first place? Anyway, ziggs can be kinda counted as mobile since your ult can clear waves or add damage to team fights from far away.


In a meta where Shyvana is relevant, Ori is relevant.


Ori is definitely relevant. She is just hard to play. And won't reward excellent play as much as Gragas or Leblanc. Fed Leblanc or Gragas = GG, fed Ori is less crystal clear if she doesn't have a good ball delivery system, and even those still leave room for outplays.


Ori is just one of those characters where it doesn't matter how good a game you have if you miss your ult in the last fight.

edit: its less that she is hard to play and more that a miss means a significant effective CD on the entire kit. Whereas, if you wiff an ability on any other champion its not a large deal because you have 3 more abilities to use, if you wiff an ability on Ori you wiff every ability on ori.

That's like saying gragas doesn't care if he whiffs his cask because he still has barrel and bodyslam. Ori requires more awareness for where her ball is relative to herself, her team, and the enemy team should she need to reposition it. You can't just fire and forget an orianna Q like you can with gragas or lulu, nor can you get yourself out of a particularly tight spot without blowing flash. Shockwave is a game changer but to say missing shockwave means orianna is useless is a huge downplay of her entire kit.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
February 25 2014 20:15 GMT
#2569
Well Ziggs can blow himself away with satchel charge, so he does have some mobility.

LCS will surely be played in 4.2 this week right?
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 20:33:18
February 25 2014 20:29 GMT
#2570
Already confirmed via twitter that this week will be played on 4.2 with Xerath disabled ala new champion rule.

WIll try and find the post, but it will take some digging

E: found it
Steam: rook492
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 25 2014 21:08 GMT
#2571
There are ideas in Vel'Koz's development that were inspired by Shuma Gorath

I KNEW IT.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 25 2014 21:25 GMT
#2572
So sick of this "tank everything and deal near-adc level damage" meta. Shit is no fun...
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2014 21:31 GMT
#2573
On February 26 2014 06:25 Talack wrote:
So sick of this "tank everything and deal near-adc level damage" meta. Shit is no fun...


It's all cyclical. Everything has its time. It was League of Assassins for quite a long time before now. Riot is almost getting the hang of letting a meta sit for awhile before shaking it up. I just wish they'd stop making retarded permanent changes to towers in top lane preventing certain strats from working and I'd be a happy camper all the time.
Hey! How you doin'?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 25 2014 21:31 GMT
#2574
Went into an hexakill game as Garen and was able to kill Darius, Shyvana or a squishy before their Muramana Ezreal did more than half my health. Was fun.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 25 2014 21:38 GMT
#2575
On February 26 2014 06:31 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 06:25 Talack wrote:
So sick of this "tank everything and deal near-adc level damage" meta. Shit is no fun...


It's all cyclical. Everything has its time. It was League of Assassins for quite a long time before now. Riot is almost getting the hang of letting a meta sit for awhile before shaking it up. I just wish they'd stop making retarded permanent changes to towers in top lane preventing certain strats from working and I'd be a happy camper all the time.


I loved in s2 how if you wanted to be tanky, you didn't deal much damage. If you wanted to deal damage, you were very killable but still able to dive and survive.

This whole game is shifting away from pros/cons of builds into just "do everything at once" style of play
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 25 2014 21:40 GMT
#2576
On February 26 2014 06:31 Alaric wrote:
Went into an hexakill game as Garen and was able to kill Darius, Shyvana or a squishy before their Muramana Ezreal did more than half my health. Was fun.


Are you trying to summon Teut?
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 25 2014 21:42 GMT
#2577
Has Riot received enough negative feedback on the Skarner rework to revert him back to how he used to be? I want my favorite champion back. It disappoints me that Riot goes out of there way to turn a decent champion into shit while shit champions like Urgot and Sion are sitting there needing a rework.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 25 2014 21:47 GMT
#2578
On February 26 2014 06:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 06:31 Alaric wrote:
Went into an hexakill game as Garen and was able to kill Darius, Shyvana or a squishy before their Muramana Ezreal did more than half my health. Was fun.


Are you trying to summon Teut?

That's the opposite, I had a level 28 smurf to finish leveling up so I could rank with a pal (he's silver, my s3 Elo was plat, I wouldn't waste people's time by duoing with him) and I decided to do it by only playing Garen. 2-0 so far, first one was jungle Garen (he can't reach people easily but he actually hurts once he gets there at early levels).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 25 2014 21:48 GMT
#2579
I doubt they would undue the rework. Buff him? Sure. Revert him? Nah.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 25 2014 21:49 GMT
#2580
On February 26 2014 06:42 GettingIt wrote:
Has Riot received enough negative feedback on the Skarner rework to revert him back to how he used to be? I want my favorite champion back. It disappoints me that Riot goes out of there way to turn a decent champion into shit while shit champions like Urgot and Sion are sitting there needing a rework.

Urgot doesn't need a rework. That's fucking stupid thing insinuated by riot because nobody plays him. And the reason nobody plays him is that he ate as many nerfs as per rework Olaf did. He just need a a couple Nerf reversions or slight buffs and hell be fine.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
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