with the new spirit stone?? r u real?

champion dependent (athenes rushers not as much) but in a great deal of cases the new spirit stone makes this an untrue statement.

the other half of the coin is what the other team does, I pride myself on being really good at mana management / auto attack cs compared to other mids of my level, but if they get blue with something spamable (like lulu) and just abuse the fuck out of me with it, I pretty much screwed without blue myself.

Nos-

Canada12016 Posts

February 25 2014 23:39 GMT

#2602

On February 26 2014 07:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:

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HEY SHIT LORD JUNGLERS GIVE MID BLUE

well isn't this just cute as all hell

Zdrastochye

Ivory Coast6262 Posts

February 25 2014 23:58 GMT

#2603

On February 26 2014 08:38 Slusher wrote:

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Jungle Fatman needs his blue buff.

Goumindong

United States3529 Posts

February 26 2014 00:00 GMT

#2604

On February 26 2014 08:36 Shikyo wrote:

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They generally do, though.

Nah. Junglers don't need blue to clear due to the new spirit stone items and prevalence of damage/clear focused junglers. Presence is more important than power in ganks and the gank power of CDR isn't particularly strong.

Even if mid is losing they're going to need to have blue in order to clear, push, and survive in lane against another mid who has blue.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

February 26 2014 00:08 GMT

#2605

best part of that video is the amumu ulting to take bluebuff, that's what I'd do as well

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21243 Posts

February 26 2014 00:28 GMT

#2606

Maybe that's why you lose all your games - everyone who sees that will just immediately lose their will to live and AFK.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

February 26 2014 00:44 GMT

#2607

got around to trying new skarner, rip skarner.

also I'm curious as to what scrip thinks of Pony now that he can't make the shit tier Skarner argument.

chalice

United States1945 Posts

February 26 2014 00:45 GMT

#2608

the gank power of hitting lvl 6 is really strong on a lot of junglers

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

February 26 2014 01:00 GMT

#2609

I'd say second blue helps Amumu a lot, actually. Spirit Stone does not actually mean you will clear without losing any mana or health, by the way. It does not work that way even for Amumu who has the E passive.

Baffels

United States1486 Posts

February 26 2014 01:09 GMT

#2610

donger gets a visual update. hooray!

Alaric

France45622 Posts

February 26 2014 01:30 GMT

#2611

Also ult cooldown. It's pretty important for champions with long ult cd like Vi, Amumu, Wukong, Sejuani, Malphite (yeah, going s2 there), etc. not so much for WW, absolutely unimportant for Kha'Zix.

dae

Canada1600 Posts

February 26 2014 01:30 GMT

#2612

On February 26 2014 09:45 chalice wrote:
the gank power of hitting lvl 6 is really strong on a lot of junglers

No way!

Except for Elise.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

February 26 2014 01:47 GMT

#2613

On February 26 2014 10:30 Alaric wrote:
Also ult cooldown. It's pretty important for champions with long ult cd like Vi, Amumu, Wukong, Sejuani, Malphite (yeah, going s2 there), etc. not so much for WW, absolutely unimportant for Kha'Zix.

The problem with the ult cooldown arguement is that it can also be made for laners. In fact it's more important for laners than for junglers because laners are sometimes forced into a fight while junglers can often "dodge" engagements.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

February 26 2014 01:52 GMT

#2614

Junglers don't want their second ult for Jungle skirmishes, they want it for ganks. Having an ult sooner for my laner sounds nice, but having another Vi ult sooner sounds pretty nice as well, and it can help whatever lane needs help.

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

February 26 2014 02:01 GMT

#2615

thing with bluebuff is that there are enough strong mana items for mid laners. There are a bunch of mid laners who are exceptionally better with it. But the same is true for alot of junglers. Also there are enough examples of very good junglers either taking buffs and giving buffs and both options make sense in a given situation and matchup.

In soloq I found a good way to go about this as a jungler is to just do the buff and when my mid makes an effort and times everything right then I give it to him. When he doesn't then I just take/smite it. This is efficient and fair at the same time. In the other hand as a mid laner I often tell the jungler to just take the buff when I don't directly need it. Alot of junglers scale just as well as Mages with items.

Also think about this: you sometimes increase the overall gold gain of your team more if the jungler takes it because he gets his farmspeed up, while a midlaner allways gets the same amount as long as he has tight mechanics, does smart rotations and the right itemization.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

February 26 2014 02:09 GMT

#2616

Well I personally haven't really needed bluebuff to waveclear at midlane, I guess it depends on what you play though. I do rush Athenes on everything so that might be a factor

Parnage

United States7414 Posts

February 26 2014 02:15 GMT

#2617

So quick question needing a swift reply what the hell does Olaf build in the toplane these days?

Gahlo

United States35159 Posts

February 26 2014 02:20 GMT

#2618

On February 26 2014 11:15 Parnage wrote:
So quick question needing a swift reply what the hell does Olaf build in the toplane these days?

Hydra and tank.

SagaZ

France3460 Posts

February 26 2014 02:21 GMT

#2619

more seriously, I usually start blue buff the moment it respawns, if the midlaner is here i have no problem giving it to him, I just take it if he is not here, them getting 3 more cs is not more important than my time so move your ass when i'm around blue and it's yours

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

February 26 2014 02:45 GMT

#2620

Watching Curse Academy play reminds me that there is a real possibility that Curse will need to play relegation while Curse A has a chance for LCS promotion. I wonder what will happen if they do meet.

In a hypothetical (but still foreseeable) scenario... end of this season of LCS it was CURSE6, EG7, and XDG8. The 3 challenger teams were LMQ, Crs A, and C9T. Further suppose actual strength of the challenger teams are LMQ > C9T > Crs A... would Curse choose Curse Academy for relegation matches?