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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 23:44:14
February 25 2014 23:38 GMT
#2601
On February 26 2014 08:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 08:12 Ketara wrote:
Junglers who think they can get more use out of the second blue than mid can are the worst.

They generally do, though.


with the new spirit stone?? r u real?

champion dependent (athenes rushers not as much) but in a great deal of cases the new spirit stone makes this an untrue statement.

the other half of the coin is what the other team does, I pride myself on being really good at mana management / auto attack cs compared to other mids of my level, but if they get blue with something spamable (like lulu) and just abuse the fuck out of me with it, I pretty much screwed without blue myself.
Carrilord has arrived.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 25 2014 23:39 GMT
#2602
On February 26 2014 07:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


;_____;

+ Show Spoiler +
HEY SHIT LORD JUNGLERS GIVE MID BLUE

well isn't this just cute as all hell
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2014 23:58 GMT
#2603
On February 26 2014 08:38 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 08:36 Shikyo wrote:
On February 26 2014 08:12 Ketara wrote:
Junglers who think they can get more use out of the second blue than mid can are the worst.

They generally do, though.


with the new spirit stone?? r u real?

champion dependent (athenes rushers not as much) but in a great deal of cases the new spirit stone makes this an untrue statement.

the other half of the coin is what the other team does, I pride myself on being really good at mana management / auto attack cs compared to other mids of my level, but if they get blue with something spamable (like lulu) and just abuse the fuck out of me with it, I pretty much screwed without blue myself.


Jungle Fatman needs his blue buff.
Hey! How you doin'?
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
February 26 2014 00:00 GMT
#2604
On February 26 2014 08:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 08:12 Ketara wrote:
Junglers who think they can get more use out of the second blue than mid can are the worst.

They generally do, though.


Nah. Junglers don't need blue to clear due to the new spirit stone items and prevalence of damage/clear focused junglers. Presence is more important than power in ganks and the gank power of CDR isn't particularly strong.

Even if mid is losing they're going to need to have blue in order to clear, push, and survive in lane against another mid who has blue.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 26 2014 00:08 GMT
#2605
best part of that video is the amumu ulting to take bluebuff, that's what I'd do as well
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
February 26 2014 00:28 GMT
#2606
Maybe that's why you lose all your games - everyone who sees that will just immediately lose their will to live and AFK.
TranslatorBaa!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 00:45:46
February 26 2014 00:44 GMT
#2607
got around to trying new skarner, rip skarner.

also I'm curious as to what scrip thinks of Pony now that he can't make the shit tier Skarner argument.
Carrilord has arrived.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 26 2014 00:45 GMT
#2608
the gank power of hitting lvl 6 is really strong on a lot of junglers
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 26 2014 01:00 GMT
#2609
I'd say second blue helps Amumu a lot, actually. Spirit Stone does not actually mean you will clear without losing any mana or health, by the way. It does not work that way even for Amumu who has the E passive.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
February 26 2014 01:09 GMT
#2610
donger gets a visual update. hooray!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 26 2014 01:30 GMT
#2611
Also ult cooldown. It's pretty important for champions with long ult cd like Vi, Amumu, Wukong, Sejuani, Malphite (yeah, going s2 there), etc. not so much for WW, absolutely unimportant for Kha'Zix.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 01:30:51
February 26 2014 01:30 GMT
#2612
On February 26 2014 09:45 chalice wrote:
the gank power of hitting lvl 6 is really strong on a lot of junglers


No way!

Except for Elise.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 26 2014 01:47 GMT
#2613
On February 26 2014 10:30 Alaric wrote:
Also ult cooldown. It's pretty important for champions with long ult cd like Vi, Amumu, Wukong, Sejuani, Malphite (yeah, going s2 there), etc. not so much for WW, absolutely unimportant for Kha'Zix.


The problem with the ult cooldown arguement is that it can also be made for laners. In fact it's more important for laners than for junglers because laners are sometimes forced into a fight while junglers can often "dodge" engagements.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 26 2014 01:52 GMT
#2614
Junglers don't want their second ult for Jungle skirmishes, they want it for ganks. Having an ult sooner for my laner sounds nice, but having another Vi ult sooner sounds pretty nice as well, and it can help whatever lane needs help.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 26 2014 02:01 GMT
#2615
thing with bluebuff is that there are enough strong mana items for mid laners. There are a bunch of mid laners who are exceptionally better with it. But the same is true for alot of junglers. Also there are enough examples of very good junglers either taking buffs and giving buffs and both options make sense in a given situation and matchup.

In soloq I found a good way to go about this as a jungler is to just do the buff and when my mid makes an effort and times everything right then I give it to him. When he doesn't then I just take/smite it. This is efficient and fair at the same time. In the other hand as a mid laner I often tell the jungler to just take the buff when I don't directly need it. Alot of junglers scale just as well as Mages with items.

Also think about this: you sometimes increase the overall gold gain of your team more if the jungler takes it because he gets his farmspeed up, while a midlaner allways gets the same amount as long as he has tight mechanics, does smart rotations and the right itemization.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 02:09:25
February 26 2014 02:09 GMT
#2616
Well I personally haven't really needed bluebuff to waveclear at midlane, I guess it depends on what you play though. I do rush Athenes on everything so that might be a factor
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 26 2014 02:15 GMT
#2617
So quick question needing a swift reply what the hell does Olaf build in the toplane these days?
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
February 26 2014 02:20 GMT
#2618
On February 26 2014 11:15 Parnage wrote:
So quick question needing a swift reply what the hell does Olaf build in the toplane these days?

Hydra and tank.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
February 26 2014 02:21 GMT
#2619
more seriously, I usually start blue buff the moment it respawns, if the midlaner is here i have no problem giving it to him, I just take it if he is not here, them getting 3 more cs is not more important than my time so move your ass when i'm around blue and it's yours
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 26 2014 02:45 GMT
#2620
Watching Curse Academy play reminds me that there is a real possibility that Curse will need to play relegation while Curse A has a chance for LCS promotion. I wonder what will happen if they do meet.

In a hypothetical (but still foreseeable) scenario... end of this season of LCS it was CURSE6, EG7, and XDG8. The 3 challenger teams were LMQ, Crs A, and C9T. Further suppose actual strength of the challenger teams are LMQ > C9T > Crs A... would Curse choose Curse Academy for relegation matches?
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