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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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GTPGlitch
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how do you guys build tristana? Because she's like the only adc I can be adequate at, and atm I'm going Vamp->brownboots->shiv->boots^boots->botrk->BT->LW->GA. Basically getting shiv and botrk quick to try and dodge the massive valley that tristana falls into midgame and get really good push/farm (Generally hitting 250+cs@25 minutes which isn't bad for bronze right?:d ) It just feels weird and several people have said I'm dumb for building aspd on Tristana even though she has Q, but in my mind the minor inefficiency is negated by the better farm and ability to push lanes very quickly, but I'm just a bronzie :dddddddd | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 18 2014 15:53 GTPGlitch wrote: Ok so i have a question how do you guys build tristana? Because she's like the only adc I can be adequate at, and atm I'm going Vamp->brownboots->shiv->boots^boots->botrk->BT->LW->GA. Basically getting shiv and botrk quick to try and dodge the massive valley that tristana falls into midgame and get really good push/farm (Generally hitting 250+cs@25 minutes which isn't bad for bronze right?:d ) It just feels weird and several people have said I'm dumb for building aspd on Tristana even though she has Q, but in my mind the minor inefficiency is negated by the better farm and ability to push lanes very quickly, but I'm just a bronzie :dddddddd Botrk early has precedent, so if they're bitching about that, fuck em. I'd only go shiv first if I had a support duoing with me knowing we were pushing hard so they know to ward properly. You're better off with botrk and IE as a 2 item timing. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Imagine you climbing up a ladder, filled with perils, and risk. then you get to a nice spot, after all that hard work. Only for some dude to say "nah, fuck all your hard work" and then kicks you off, and you barely grasp onto a rung. there you hold on with your fingers, far far below where you once were. Think Tower of God, except more unfair. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 18 2014 15:53 GTPGlitch wrote: Ok so i have a question how do you guys build tristana? Because she's like the only adc I can be adequate at, and atm I'm going Vamp->brownboots->shiv->boots^boots->botrk->BT->LW->GA. Basically getting shiv and botrk quick to try and dodge the massive valley that tristana falls into midgame and get really good push/farm (Generally hitting 250+cs@25 minutes which isn't bad for bronze right?:d ) It just feels weird and several people have said I'm dumb for building aspd on Tristana even though she has Q, but in my mind the minor inefficiency is negated by the better farm and ability to push lanes very quickly, but I'm just a bronzie :dddddddd IF you can (sometimes a big if), IMO you go BT first now. That is because it matches what most other ADCs go, so your powercurve will be similar, plus it sets you on the path towards her best lategame build. Sometimes you get destroyed too much to ever afford that BF sword though, but in those matchups, I'd just not pick her... | ||
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
On January 18 2014 15:53 GTPGlitch wrote: Ok so i have a question how do you guys build tristana? Because she's like the only adc I can be adequate at, and atm I'm going Vamp->brownboots->shiv->boots^boots->botrk->BT->LW->GA. Basically getting shiv and botrk quick to try and dodge the massive valley that tristana falls into midgame and get really good push/farm (Generally hitting 250+cs@25 minutes which isn't bad for bronze right?:d ) It just feels weird and several people have said I'm dumb for building aspd on Tristana even though she has Q, but in my mind the minor inefficiency is negated by the better farm and ability to push lanes very quickly, but I'm just a bronzie :dddddddd Bork > IE > LW > PD > GA You honestly don't REALLY need a BT on Trist unless you want to push an early advantage from murdering your lane. You have zero AD ratios that would be boosted by the extra damage unlike every other ADC in the game. It's all about your auto and spitting out crits every second. I get a lot of shit for going bork on Tristana until they see me melting people, tanks and squishies alike. It also gives some good disengage considering everybody and their brother is playing some tank that sticks to carries like glue, so with your rocket jump you should be able to escape from a lot. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On January 18 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote: Imagine you climbing up a ladder, filled with perils, and risk. then you get to a nice spot, after all that hard work. Only for some dude to say "nah, fuck all your hard work" and then kicks you off, and you barely grasp onto a rung. there you hold on with your fingers, far far below where you once were. Think Tower of God, except more unfair. So you propose they never reset at all? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 18 2014 16:02 WaveofShadow wrote: So you propose they never reset at all? Meh, I mean I guess someone has to keep WT from having 50 accounts in Challengers. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
Had one game that was an absolute stomp. We surrendered at 20 when it was something like 30-7 in kills. | ||
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IMoperator
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
On January 18 2014 15:53 GTPGlitch wrote: Ok so i have a question how do you guys build tristana? Because she's like the only adc I can be adequate at, and atm I'm going Vamp->brownboots->shiv->boots^boots->botrk->BT->LW->GA. Basically getting shiv and botrk quick to try and dodge the massive valley that tristana falls into midgame and get really good push/farm (Generally hitting 250+cs@25 minutes which isn't bad for bronze right?:d ) It just feels weird and several people have said I'm dumb for building aspd on Tristana even though she has Q, but in my mind the minor inefficiency is negated by the better farm and ability to push lanes very quickly, but I'm just a bronzie :dddddddd I go either Bork or IE first, depending on when I back and how much gold I have. If I have above 1550 I go IE, if lower, I grab cutless/vamp and go into Bork. I follow the same philosophy with PD/Shiv(trifroce on Varus) I get whichever I have the gold for when I back. Generally my build path on Trist is IE -> lifesteal/zeal -> LW -> BT/Bork -> PD/Shiv with boots thrown in there somewhere and finish with whatever defensive item I feel is best at the time. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 18 2014 16:02 VeryAverage wrote: Bork > IE > LW > PD > GA You honestly don't REALLY need a BT on Trist unless you want to push an early advantage from murdering your lane. You have zero AD ratios that would be boosted by the extra damage unlike every other ADC in the game. It's all about your auto and spitting out crits every second. I get a lot of shit for going bork on Tristana until they see me melting people, tanks and squishies alike. It also gives some good disengage considering everybody and their brother is playing some tank that sticks to carries like glue, so with your rocket jump you should be able to escape from a lot. I support this build order. Maybe PD before LW if you don't really need the ArPen but the rest is sound. Ashe and Trist are two ADC that definitely work better with IE than BT. Neither of their kits have skills that really scale with AD. They mainly autoattack. Edit: Crusnik brings up a great point of how much gold you have when you back. If you have enough for BF on first back, buy BF. Otherwise buy the pieces for Cutlass. But even if you get BF first, I'd still finish BotRK first. The active is that important. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 18 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote: Imagine you climbing up a ladder, filled with perils, and risk. then you get to a nice spot, after all that hard work. Only for some dude to say "nah, fuck all your hard work" and then kicks you off, and you barely grasp onto a rung. there you hold on with your fingers, far far below where you once were. Think Tower of God, except more unfair. ... I shake my head at you, wei. wtf man. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 18 2014 17:11 NeoIllusions wrote: ... I shake my head at you, wei. wtf man. Truth too dark for the prince of darkness? I mean. I understand that they want to segment out seasons and prevent elo inflation. Just wish there was a better way to do it. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
You'd have a better time arguing for a hard reset over no reset. zzz | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 18 2014 17:59 NeoIllusions wrote: What truth? It seems like you're trying to argue that no reset should be done and that makes zero sense. Each season should be a clean slate, to some degree. You'd have a better time arguing for a hard reset over no reset. zzz Tbh rather have hard reset over soft reset. Less arbitrary bitching. | ||
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IMoperator
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On January 18 2014 19:00 IMoperator wrote: just put everyone at 1200 mmr and the players will get to where they belong. But it takes so long :/ | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
and sorf reset kinda does the same thing | ||
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