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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 10 2014 14:40 GMT
#4521
On February 10 2014 23:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:30 cLutZ wrote:
Probably the #1 way to nerf Leblanc would be to get rid of the -Champion Damage on the Mid turret...

Why? She's dunk your mid and then get sick tower damage in.


Meh. Better buff Orianna then. Or shift more of LB's power to chains. Chains is a more interesting skill...
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 14:44:30
February 10 2014 14:41 GMT
#4522
On February 10 2014 23:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:26 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:10 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 21:59 Sufficiency wrote:
There is no way Riot will nerf her W cooldown, because she was previously buffed in that respect. I don’t think Riot has ever reverted a buff/nerf before.

You're on a roll today, aren't you?


Do you really think this is a troll comment?

Buffing a champion and nerfing it in the same way makes Riot looks bad and create discontent in the player base.

You know what looks worse to players? Creating a problem champion and then refusing to nerf it to try and save face.



Still looks better than reverting a change completely. Also that is Riot's decison on how to handle these kinds of things, I am just analyzing the reasoning behind it.

I am on a roll indeed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xicc6/so_ive_been_reading_quite_a_bit_of_diana/cfbnb5e
Yes, yes you are.

e. Also, I only needed to search through(s3/4) till Akali till I found a modified change.
V3.5 (Balance Updates):
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge rate increased to 35/25/15 seconds from 25/20/15.
V3.7:
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge time reduced to 30/22.5/15 seconds from 35/25/15.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 10 2014 14:46 GMT
#4523
They could always go with something like a small base ms nerf, if they want to target her roaming.

Or a small range nerf on the w.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 10 2014 14:46 GMT
#4524
Leblanc hasn't even been in the spotlight for a month and you guys already talk about nerfs.....

Have you actually played a good amount of leblanc/vs LB games?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 10 2014 14:48 GMT
#4525
On February 10 2014 23:41 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:26 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:10 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 21:59 Sufficiency wrote:
There is no way Riot will nerf her W cooldown, because she was previously buffed in that respect. I don’t think Riot has ever reverted a buff/nerf before.

You're on a roll today, aren't you?


Do you really think this is a troll comment?

Buffing a champion and nerfing it in the same way makes Riot looks bad and create discontent in the player base.

You know what looks worse to players? Creating a problem champion and then refusing to nerf it to try and save face.



Still looks better than reverting a change completely. Also that is Riot's decison on how to handle these kinds of things, I am just analyzing the reasoning behind it.

I am on a roll indeed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xicc6/so_ive_been_reading_quite_a_bit_of_diana/cfbnb5e
Yes, yes you are.

e. Also, I only needed to search through(s3/4) till Akali till I found a modified change.
V3.5 (Balance Updates):
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge rate increased to 35/25/15 seconds from 25/20/15.
V3.7:
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge time reduced to 30/22.5/15 seconds from 35/25/15.


So I missed some of the changes, ops.

The Diana thing, I don't know what to say. Her greatest weakness is her pre6. If she has R at level 1 she can:

1. If she lands Q on you pre 6 she will zone you for days.
2. Makes her jungle ridiculously overpowered.


Reddit kept saying a lot of champions can gapclose at level 1, but that does not mean giving Diana gap closer at level 1 is acceptable.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 10 2014 14:51 GMT
#4526
On February 10 2014 23:46 AsnSensation wrote:
Leblanc hasn't even been in the spotlight for a month and you guys already talk about nerfs.....

Have you actually played a good amount of leblanc/vs LB games?


I think LB is fine, I just like her Chains move a lot.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 10 2014 14:54 GMT
#4527
On February 10 2014 23:51 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:46 AsnSensation wrote:
Leblanc hasn't even been in the spotlight for a month and you guys already talk about nerfs.....

Have you actually played a good amount of leblanc/vs LB games?


I think LB is fine, I just like her Chains move a lot.


Her chain is so deceptive. It looks like a chain but it works like any other skillshots in the game. So if she moves after casting E her chain's point of origin moves with her but E's direction does not.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 10 2014 14:56 GMT
#4528
On February 10 2014 23:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:41 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:26 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:10 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 21:59 Sufficiency wrote:
There is no way Riot will nerf her W cooldown, because she was previously buffed in that respect. I don’t think Riot has ever reverted a buff/nerf before.

You're on a roll today, aren't you?


Do you really think this is a troll comment?

Buffing a champion and nerfing it in the same way makes Riot looks bad and create discontent in the player base.

You know what looks worse to players? Creating a problem champion and then refusing to nerf it to try and save face.



Still looks better than reverting a change completely. Also that is Riot's decison on how to handle these kinds of things, I am just analyzing the reasoning behind it.

I am on a roll indeed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xicc6/so_ive_been_reading_quite_a_bit_of_diana/cfbnb5e
Yes, yes you are.

e. Also, I only needed to search through(s3/4) till Akali till I found a modified change.
V3.5 (Balance Updates):
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge rate increased to 35/25/15 seconds from 25/20/15.
V3.7:
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge time reduced to 30/22.5/15 seconds from 35/25/15.


So I missed some of the changes, ops.

The Diana thing, I don't know what to say. Her greatest weakness is her pre6. If she has R at level 1 she can:

1. If she lands Q on you pre 6 she will zone you for days.
2. Makes her jungle ridiculously overpowered.


Reddit kept saying a lot of champions can gapclose at level 1, but that does not mean giving Diana gap closer at level 1 is acceptable.

You also failed to take into acount the part in the OP where #s would be balanced to make up for the change.
1. As opposed to the being the champion that gets zoned till 6 in most of her matchups? Heaven forbid an assassin has a targeted gap closer that can be taken at level 1(Kat & Talon off the top of my head.)
2. Her ganks suck dick before 6. Her ganks would play out like Xin's pre 6 without the cc of a popup. At least this way she could actually do some damage.

You're right. The melee champion might actually auto attack somebody. Quelle horreur.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 15:04:11
February 10 2014 15:03 GMT
#4529
On February 10 2014 23:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:41 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:26 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:10 Gahlo wrote:
On February 10 2014 21:59 Sufficiency wrote:
There is no way Riot will nerf her W cooldown, because she was previously buffed in that respect. I don’t think Riot has ever reverted a buff/nerf before.

You're on a roll today, aren't you?


Do you really think this is a troll comment?

Buffing a champion and nerfing it in the same way makes Riot looks bad and create discontent in the player base.

You know what looks worse to players? Creating a problem champion and then refusing to nerf it to try and save face.



Still looks better than reverting a change completely. Also that is Riot's decison on how to handle these kinds of things, I am just analyzing the reasoning behind it.

I am on a roll indeed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xicc6/so_ive_been_reading_quite_a_bit_of_diana/cfbnb5e
Yes, yes you are.

e. Also, I only needed to search through(s3/4) till Akali till I found a modified change.
V3.5 (Balance Updates):
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge rate increased to 35/25/15 seconds from 25/20/15.
V3.7:
Shadow Dance
Essence of Shadow charge time reduced to 30/22.5/15 seconds from 35/25/15.


So I missed some of the changes, ops.

The Diana thing, I don't know what to say. Her greatest weakness is her pre6. If she has R at level 1 she can:

1. If she lands Q on you pre 6 she will zone you for days.
2. Makes her jungle ridiculously overpowered.


Reddit kept saying a lot of champions can gapclose at level 1, but that does not mean giving Diana gap closer at level 1 is acceptable.

You also failed to take into acount the part in the OP where #s would be balanced to make up for the change.
1. As opposed to the being the champion that gets zoned till 6 in most of her matchups? Heaven forbid an assassin has a targeted gap closer that can be taken at level 1(Kat & Talon off the top of my head.)
2. Her ganks suck dick before 6. Her ganks would play out like Xin's pre 6 without the cc of a popup. At least this way she could actually do some damage.

You're right. The melee champion might actually auto attack somebody. Quelle horreur.



You are joking right? Do you know how much damage her passive + q + w can do? It is not even remotely comparable to Katarina and Talon.

To adjust her numbers accordingly is problematic. It is a vague defense to a bad solution. I can make practically any changes to any champion so long as I 'adjust numbers accordingly'. Her role is currently this awkward fighter tank assassin initiator and that is her core problem. Swapping her R and E causes too much stress to her other parts of the kit so by doing so you might as well remake her into a different champion.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 15:05:22
February 10 2014 15:04 GMT
#4530
I think you should take a step back and evaluate your comments if even Reddit is calling you retarded.

On February 10 2014 23:48 Sufficiency wrote:

So I missed some of the changes, ops.


So kids, what's the lesson here about trying to make absolute statements about things you don't have knowledge of?

That's right! Don't do it!
TranslatorBaa!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 15:09:38
February 10 2014 15:09 GMT
#4531
Reddit also thinks making surrender timer earlier with leaver is a good idea. The general opinions of reddit is really bad.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
February 10 2014 15:17 GMT
#4532
On February 11 2014 00:09 Sufficiency wrote:
Reddit also thinks making surrender timer earlier with leaver is a good idea. The general opinions of reddit is really bad.

That doesn't mean that it's impossible to give a melee champion their gap closer earlier and then rebalance the numbers. If you gave Diana her current ult at lvl1? yes that would be OP. I am shocked that we have identified that, and it is not at all what was being talked about.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 10 2014 15:17 GMT
#4533
On February 10 2014 23:46 AsnSensation wrote:
Leblanc hasn't even been in the spotlight for a month and you guys already talk about nerfs.....

Have you actually played a good amount of leblanc/vs LB games?



Welcome to Teamliquid, hope you enjoy the conversations.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 10 2014 15:21 GMT
#4534
garena has 4.2 patch notes
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xip24/42_patch_notes_is_up_on_garena_includes_skarner/
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
February 10 2014 15:32 GMT
#4535
On February 11 2014 00:09 Sufficiency wrote:
Reddit also thinks making surrender timer earlier with leaver is a good idea. The general opinions of reddit is really bad.

Wait maybe I'm misunderstanding what they mean but why is that not a good idea? If I'm in a 3v5 or 4v5 situation and I have the opportunity to legitimately terminate the game earlier, I'm going to take that option and appreciate it.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 15:40:42
February 10 2014 15:37 GMT
#4536
On February 11 2014 00:21 kongoline wrote:
garena has 4.2 patch notes
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xip24/42_patch_notes_is_up_on_garena_includes_skarner/

The thresh change is hilarious. Rita go home you're drunk. This won't change anything.
Also i'm so sad the doran shield change didn't make it, melee support and tanky top domination continues yay
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 10 2014 15:37 GMT
#4537
On February 11 2014 00:21 kongoline wrote:
garena has 4.2 patch notes
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xip24/42_patch_notes_is_up_on_garena_includes_skarner/

Perseverance nerfed! Yay!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 10 2014 15:42 GMT
#4538
On February 11 2014 00:37 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:21 kongoline wrote:
garena has 4.2 patch notes
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xip24/42_patch_notes_is_up_on_garena_includes_skarner/

The thresh change is hilarious. Rita go home you're drunk. This won't change anything.
Also i'm so sad the doran shield change didn't make it, melee support and tanky top domination continues yay


I think it is still significant. His auto harass does a lot f damage so the range nerf will hurt him. Especially when his range is already pretty short.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 10 2014 15:44 GMT
#4539
The patch notes don't load for me; can someone copy/paste?
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 10 2014 15:44 GMT
#4540
On February 11 2014 00:21 kongoline wrote:
garena has 4.2 patch notes
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xip24/42_patch_notes_is_up_on_garena_includes_skarner/

Looks like a serious buff for Ashe (no sarcasm)
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