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On January 30 2014 18:42 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 18:38 JazzVortical wrote:On January 30 2014 18:22 imBLIND wrote:
Champs that are not banned all the time that are capable of carrying a game even when they fall behind:
Vi - cause no one can figure out how she does so much dmg and is unkillable at the same time.
Akali - cause people forgot how to play against her
Rumble - cause people think they can face tank the flamethrower w/o lifesteal and win trades once they buy a negatron or cowl.
I see Vi banned occasionally, but she has major carry potential. Akali seems like once she's behind, she stays there. I haven't seen a Rumble in months, but I've heard.... rumblings.... that Rumble mid is super good. I'd add Orianna to the list. One good ult and it turns the game right around. Never gets banned either. The thing about yolo queue akali is that if akali can catch one person going full retard especially the ADC no matter how bad her lane went she can snowball hard off it. Rumble is always useful because he only really needs a bit of magic pen to have good impact. Tryndamere and jax are also in the same boat as akali, once they hit a decent point they can snowball off someone going full retard. I'd also throw in tristana, people can sometimes get caught by explosive shot and get bullied hard and the reset on rocket jump + burst on her ult can allow you to make some solo picks if you're starting to snowball.
I used to main ori in S3, and I've found that the only problem that is keeping her from being a tier1 solo queue mid is that her roam is inferior compared to every other popular mid champ. Solo queue is too dependent on a mid that can help other lanes. Don't get me wrong tho, ori is still really damn powerful late game if you have the right team.
Jax is definitely another one of those less seen top laners that can carry a game. Trynd is not as great right now because I see most games revolving around some kind of dive/catch rather than a long siege, which gives him less time to split push.
Khazix is also in the same boat as vi; sometimes banned, but has great carry potential.
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Kha'Zix does even more damage than Vi (both burst and dps) pre-6 (maybe she has more burst around 6, def. way lower dps tho) to an isolated target and he takes shit like dragon so fast it's not even funny. Obviously he's not as good at picking a target he can't 100-0, but he scales so well with items any non-full tank that steps in isolation range is a potential 100-0 for him anyway. Q damage so huge.
Kha'Zix was already oppressive in lane once his evolved W because you couldn't ever fight him: you'd straight-up lose to isolation bonuses, and he would one-shot the wave so you'd never be in a position to fight him on equal or better terms. Can he one-shot the wave with Tiamat (so he can evolve Q at 6)? If so, he's probably still terror off laner.
Nautilus can actually take the Wight reasonably fast with his W (as in he won't really do it before level 5 but oh well), but it's only thanks to reduced Smite cd meaning it'll always be up when you go to the camp. Mundo gives no fuck because I max cleaver even in the jungle (take level 2 W for clearing small creeps), Vi takes a bit (her W lets her kill it somewhat fast though) but she's still got smite anyway.
Maokai is desperately slow.
I don't even want to think about it with Rammus.
On January 30 2014 14:21 Vlanitak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 13:16 Cyro wrote:On January 29 2014 14:42 Ryuu314 wrote:On January 29 2014 13:34 Cyro wrote:
Did the -20 dmg on champion auto attacks on mid/top but not bot outer turrets go through? According to Morello, it's only supposed to be a temporary measure until they figure out something more elegant. It was also only supposed to last the first 8 minutes of the game. However, I have my doubts. It worries me :S I don't want this game to be forced into one "meta" where everyone just takes adc+support bot, whatever is FOTM mid, a tanky jungler and some top laner, it's bad enough playing solo queue dw working to make sure that wont ever be the case ^^
Back to Rock Solid meta gogo.
On January 30 2014 15:40 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 14:54 Vlanitak wrote:On January 30 2014 14:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 30 2014 14:21 Vlanitak wrote:On January 30 2014 13:16 Cyro wrote:On January 29 2014 14:42 Ryuu314 wrote:On January 29 2014 13:34 Cyro wrote:
Did the -20 dmg on champion auto attacks on mid/top but not bot outer turrets go through? According to Morello, it's only supposed to be a temporary measure until they figure out something more elegant. It was also only supposed to last the first 8 minutes of the game. However, I have my doubts. It worries me :S I don't want this game to be forced into one "meta" where everyone just takes adc+support bot, whatever is FOTM mid, a tanky jungler and some top laner, it's bad enough playing solo queue dw working to make sure that wont ever be the case ^^ Damn, the hype is real. Waiting for the 4 support + kog level shit. cant promise that one buddy... unless... hm actually hold on to that thought on a more serious note: testing new things is never out of the question, as long as you can back it up somehow Lulu mid + Soraka Jungle. Try it, record VODS, give to us if you feel is not LCS worthy, else play in LCS. Simple.
Mundo top instead of jungle, Jinx instead of Kog, jungle Lee or something for peeling, Alistar support, Kayle mid. Lulu gets fucked by the FotM tanky initiating supports, Taric's nerfs made him pretty trash compared to them sadly, Janna is Janna and I'm very dubious of Lulu's and Soraka's solo laning since their "scaling buffs" (pls give starcall back kthx).
But then it's probably less the comp and more Kayle and Jinx being what they are atm. :<
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Holy shit my laning phase and CS sucks so bad. Im also terrible at hitting skillshots. I come out of a mid lane with lux with like 0/2/1 and 60cs at 10 mins but end the game with 250+ 5/3 or something because eventually you can just destroy minions and not have to worry about last hitting :D
I need to practice CSing and Mid / skillshots D:
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Lux is (for me) the hardest champion to CS with in the game. Idk why but it's harder to lasthit with her than with something like Anivia or Swain or Vlad. I dont take the bonus damage to creeps, but still.
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this is why i love the manaless meta. so many champs i dont have to learn to cs with properly.
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On January 30 2014 23:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Lux is (for me) the hardest champion to CS with in the game. Idk why but it's harder to lasthit with her than with something like Anivia or Swain or Vlad. I dont take the bonus damage to creeps, but still.
It's her AA -- it's weak on its own, esp. when coming from other champs.
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Swain's one of my banes, I just can't cs with him for dear life, because of his animation despite a bunch of you saying it's good. @_@ And my first mid main before him was Morgana, with her 450 auto range and slow projectile + long windup.
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On January 31 2014 00:01 Alaric wrote:
Swain's one of my banes, I just can't cs with him for dear life, because of his animation despite a bunch of you saying it's good. @_@ And my first mid main before him was Morgana, with her 450 auto range and slow projectile + long windup.
I played a game with Swain (top) last night.
I'm fairly certain I missed like 50cs because i'm so bad at last hitting with Swain in the first 10 minutes.
Still hard-denied the susan, but still. <_<;
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Lux has the best AA out of possibly all ranged mid laners in the game. It has an almost nonexistent wind up time and the missile is very fast. This is very remarkable especially considering how early she was released.
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Don't find anyone in LoL hard to AA with. Everyone has such good animation and really easy to throw in some extra AD if you are bad.
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On January 31 2014 00:13 Numy wrote:
Don't find anyone in LoL hard to AA with. Everyone has such good animation and really easy to throw in some extra AD if you are bad.
I honestly need to take my own advice sometime and just practice CSing. My CSing has honestly been getting worse since mid-S2. I'm missing so many naow.
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I think that Swain's animation is actually very good. It used to be terribad but they buffed it by a ton. It still is a huge problem that his skills cannot lasthit properly, though. Gets much better after 6 and with some levels to W.
While playing as Swain, one should definitely learn to lasthit with his basic attacks because the mana regen he gets is so huge.
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On January 31 2014 00:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 00:13 Numy wrote:
Don't find anyone in LoL hard to AA with. Everyone has such good animation and really easy to throw in some extra AD if you are bad. I honestly need to take my own advice sometime and just practice CSing. My CSing has honestly been getting worse since mid-S2. I'm missing so many naow.
I think the whole mana creep has made it so actually having to try CS only really valid for such a short portion of time that if you don't actively practice the skill you start to slip pretty badly.
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On January 31 2014 00:22 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 00:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:On January 31 2014 00:13 Numy wrote:
Don't find anyone in LoL hard to AA with. Everyone has such good animation and really easy to throw in some extra AD if you are bad. I honestly need to take my own advice sometime and just practice CSing. My CSing has honestly been getting worse since mid-S2. I'm missing so many naow. I think the whole mana creep has made it so actually having to try CS only really valid for such a short portion of time that if you don't actively practice the skill you start to slip pretty badly.
Might also because I binge ARAMs/Dominions at times which definitely doesn't help.
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They only sped up his auto a bit (he had several frames where it'd stand idle before actually starting the animation, adding some wind-up to it) and his range from 480 to 500.
Champions had weird auto range in the beginning of the game, looking at it. Urgot, Janna, Fiddle, Karthus, Morgana, Swain, etc. now most ranged champions are released with a range of 550, except for those intended as marksmen with particularities, like Jinx.
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On January 31 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Lux has the best AA out of possibly all ranged mid laners in the game. It has an almost nonexistent wind up time and the missile is very fast. This is very remarkable especially considering how early she was released.
Remember Rammus and Zilean back in the day? They were as bad as some DotA heroes, I feel like I have no right to complain about any champion ever because of them.
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Among champions that are actually meant to auto-attack a lot, I find Teemo has the worst animation. There is such a massive wind-up that it is so easy to cancel the entire auto by accident.
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GrandInquisitor
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If you ever feel masochistic, try farming with Karthus without using your Q.
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On January 31 2014 01:02 GrandInquisitor wrote:
If you ever feel masochistic, try farming with Karthus without using your Q.
Before they changed fiddle's aa animation/projectile speed, csing with him was god damn painful
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Karthus AA is not too bad. The wind up is big and his missile is slow, but his range is so low that the missile speed is not too big of an issue. With some proper training it is not too hard to pull off.
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