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On December 15 2013 04:19 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:17 turdburgler wrote:
what happened at the end i didnt see. [A] got a bit bm. All the uptight people are raging about it, all the trolls are confused about what's wrong with it.
Was abit more than a little, but it is the gist of it, yes.
Avoid reddit until it dies down.
Honestly, I just don't know what the hell happened top lane with Cruzer. Debut choke or what? Crumbzz with the bad call early that lost bot lane entirely (qt kept up in CS at least despite being denied all kills against DB+2 kill Jinx), and Ziggs was outpushed AND outroamed by Gragas wat (I don't think the change to body slam's AoE should allow that). Just, arggggh.
The trials and tribulations of Dignitas fandom. And CoL got shafted right before promos with roster changes, so fml.
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oh wtf. Spirit jungle items will eventually give everyone udyr's old turtle stance for jungling O__o
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Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support).
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On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support).
High skillcap, too early to tell, maybe future buffs/nerfs/etc
People are way quick to jump on stuff this early. Again obvious Lucian example.
In other news, wtfEvenerfs.
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On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support).
it might change when the day 1 full dps builds die down, but he certainly does not look promising for OP
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I was thinking about his ult, at 50% crit a normal champion on average deals 150% dmg, he deals only 180% so only 20% more. Really could have been too high a nerf on that, perhaps should ignore crit completely.
Anyway,
Urgot(worst winrate)'s KDA stats: kill:death ratio 0.86, assists 6.72.
Yasuo: kill:death ratio 0.58, asssists 5.66
Probably high skill cap but these numbers are pretty seriously terrible.
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the good thing with his passive is that a build with 1 crit item is actually not a wasted stat on that item, that bad thing is people are baited into the 50% crit cap thing.
also the shield is the meat and potatoes of the passive anyway so it's all gravy even if you opt not to get a crit item.
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On December 15 2013 04:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 03:15 Ketara wrote:On December 15 2013 02:16 Jek wrote:On December 15 2013 01:42 Slusher wrote:
depends on the your team comp as well imo, his ult is really strong but it's tough to set up. I'm probly setting myself up to look like an idiot talking about possible changes day 2, but I feel like Yasuo needs Q stacks to be permanent kinda like Annie stacks, as is it's way too obvious when he actually poses a threat, and easy to wait it out.
not being able to prime going into a team fight is also debilitating, tho the other way around might be bonkers in the other direction.
the other thing that looks way stronger on paper about Yasuo is his E has about, as far as I can tell, a ~.5 sec icd, so the 0 cd is a bit of a lie. I think treating it as stacks would be too strong in lane, and probably also as a jungler. In lane I don't feel like Yasuo need permanent stacks, it is a quite anoying during siege stages tho. Yasuo is so much fun to play toplane as a bruiser, I get 10% crit from runes and go Doran's Blade (or red pot) first and then it's pretty much just non-stop brawling: shield is up => dash in q and auto a bit => shield runs out => dash out). Q knockup is just icying on the cake in the early phases IMO and I primarily use it as a ranged harass until level 6. Crit reds doesn't feel gimmicky at all on him IMO, he just gets so much value from them: 2% crit from one rune slot?! His shield is just downright silly if you just build a smidge resists. EDIT: On December 15 2013 02:03 Ketara wrote:
Supposing that CDR on Yasuo isn't a wasted stat, I'm looking at Zekes Herald for him.
Gives some HP for tankiness and sustain (I'm not sure he's a giant fan of either BT or BotRK), aura is good for both him and his ADC, plus it's cheap and tons of CDR.
I'd be looking at like, IE + Trinity + GA + Zekes as a core end game build, with the final item being either damage or tankiness depending.
That's just my thoughts from reading his page though, assuming CDR isn't a wasted stat and having never played the guy. You really want AS speed on him, it allows him to charge his shield up so much faster since you are locked in attack animation for a shorter time that plus AS lowers is Q cooldown makes an AS item essential as your first item in my opinion. I think resists are of much more importance than flat out health, dat shield... I was under the impression that just Trinity and AS from levels/masteries maxed his attackspeed bonus from Q. Or came really close to doing so. Yeah, it is easy to max his Q CD, but at what point would you buy Zekes? Going over the AS=>CDR conversion isn't bad as it makes it much easier to weave in and out of combat, staying constantly moving seems to me be how Yasuo should be played (at least until his shield is nerfed, hue). While laning Zeke's is pretty bad obviously (you don't need CDR, yet). Yeah sure you could sit at Vamp Scepter for a while, but Zeke's as a second item? Your opponent's big buy at same time would be a much more massive 1v1 power spike, and as 3rd you'd probably want a defensive item. Personally I go for a Doran's start, then Vamp Scepter => TF => BotrK => defensive items and if needed an LW late. Merc treads whenever fitting in backs. I'm fairly certain that Trinity is core on him, all parts of it are fantastic on him and each feels like a massive spike of power.
I was suggesting Zekes as 4th item. But, was just an idea.
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Yasuo definitely has a high skill cap, and the biggest issue is he has no real disengage option other than E dashes, which you can only chain so far before you run out of things to dash to. The other issue is people building him squishy max deeps, when you should build tanky/bruiser on him. Personally I'm advocating him getting TF or BotRK into Atmas into Sunfire/Randuins/SV/Banshees.
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On December 15 2013 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support). High skillcap, too early to tell, maybe future buffs/nerfs/etc People are way quick to jump on stuff this early. Again obvious Lucian example. In other news, wtfEvenerfs.
weren't lucians mana costs bugged so his mana costs sometimes doubled? and I think riot gave him a QoL buff so people couldn't just side step his Q.
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the other thing is I just don't know if he's a mid laner I played some 1v1s against him yesterday and it was so easy to tool him around with even stuff that should not work like Morgana, let alone legit picks like Ziggs, Syndra, Ori and Gragas.
I didn't even bother to try LB but I have 0 doubts.
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On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support).
He is a skill intensive champion who hasn't even been out for 2 days.
hold your pitchforks for a while ffs.
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On December 15 2013 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support). High skillcap, too early to tell, maybe future buffs/nerfs/etc People are way quick to jump on stuff this early. Again obvious Lucian example. In other news, wtfEvenerfs.
what eve nerfs?
im annoyed with this patch, so many unlisted changes and bugs.
Or is that beta?
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On December 15 2013 05:26 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support). High skillcap, too early to tell, maybe future buffs/nerfs/etc People are way quick to jump on stuff this early. Again obvious Lucian example. In other news, wtfEvenerfs. what eve nerfs? im annoyed with this patch, so many unlisted changes and bugs. Or is that beta?
Think he's talking about on the PBE.
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On December 14 2013 10:27 57 Corvette wrote:Don't know if its really him, but I think Chaox just kicked my ass in Hearthstone. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1Ai0IUE.jpg)
How do I get the game?
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On December 15 2013 05:28 nosliw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 10:27 57 Corvette wrote:Don't know if its really him, but I think Chaox just kicked my ass in Hearthstone. How do I get the game?
If you signed up on battle.net they basically spammed invites to everyone. Otherwise there are giveaways you can try, think reddit was having one recently.
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On December 15 2013 05:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support). He is a skill intensive champion who hasn't even been out for 2 days. hold your pitchforks for a while ffs.
Well, even so those are probably the worst stats in history. Had one in my team and he was absolutely useless early, did some useful things later on though, ending 12-8-8. We got carried so incredibly hard by our Support Leona though that it's difficult to say how much that was because of him(btw people who say supports cannot carry are insane)
Not enough Evelynn nerfs. She can still appear out of nowhere on the toplane at lvl 2, ignite you, and make the enemy freewin lane while she takes care of the other 2.
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On December 15 2013 05:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 05:11 Gorsameth wrote:On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support). He is a skill intensive champion who hasn't even been out for 2 days. hold your pitchforks for a while ffs. Well, even so those are probably the worst stats in history. Had one in my team and he was absolutely useless early, did some useful things later on though, ending 12-8-8. We got carried so incredibly hard by our Support Leona though that it's difficult to say how much that was because of him(btw people who say supports cannot carry are insane) Not enough Evelynn nerfs. She can still appear out of nowhere on the toplane at lvl 2, ignite you, and make the enemy freewin lane while she takes care of the other 2.
it's so easy to gank right now, you kill her scaling by mixing her damage you might as well just run olaf, still walk right into lane on people AND scale into late game.
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On December 15 2013 05:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 05:11 Gorsameth wrote:On December 15 2013 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
Looks like Yasuo is considered terrible. I guess they overdid it with the passive nerf.
Worst average KDA out of all champions it seems(non-support). He is a skill intensive champion who hasn't even been out for 2 days. hold your pitchforks for a while ffs. Well, even so those are probably the worst stats in history. Had one in my team and he was absolutely useless early, did some useful things later on though, ending 12-8-8. We got carried so incredibly hard by our Support Leona though that it's difficult to say how much that was because of him (btw people who say supports cannot carry are insane) Not enough Evelynn nerfs. She can still appear out of nowhere on the toplane at lvl 2, ignite you, and make the enemy freewin lane while she takes care of the other 2.
shikyo confirmed for still living in 2 months ago.
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