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On January 08 2014 09:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
if they actually touch ziggs and annie it would be another example of shitty knee jerk reaction nerf like with ahri zz
Except ziggs is really broken atm.They should revert the buff on minefield damage to creeps that would be a good start to get him in a good place.At least imo it is not normal for a champion to be #1 damage dealer to champs every single game unless the person playing him is trash.
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On January 08 2014 09:21 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
if they actually touch ziggs and annie it would be another example of shitty knee jerk reaction nerf like with ahri zz Except ziggs is really broken atm.They should revert the buff on minefield damage to creeps that would be a good start to get him in a good place.At least imo it is not normal for a champion to be #1 damage dealer to champs every single game unless the person playing him is trash.
he's nowhere near broken and he's hardly prioritized in ogn lol
people just stand around and get poked to death instead of playing differently
people expect to be able to play the same way and win and when a champion pops up that requires a different playstyle, instead of learning how to play, people decide to cry isntead
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I'd like to see a nerf to mine field duration maybe
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On January 08 2014 09:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:21 nafta wrote:On January 08 2014 09:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
if they actually touch ziggs and annie it would be another example of shitty knee jerk reaction nerf like with ahri zz Except ziggs is really broken atm.They should revert the buff on minefield damage to creeps that would be a good start to get him in a good place.At least imo it is not normal for a champion to be #1 damage dealer to champs every single game unless the person playing him is trash. he's nowhere near broken and he's hardly prioritized in ogn lol people just stand around and get poked to death instead of playing differently people expect to be able to play the same way and win and when a champion pops up that requires a different playstyle, instead of learning how to play, people decide to cry isntead
Ziggs really isnt a champion that has a different style than regular mids like gragas/orianna.He just has better poke and more damage instead of safety.
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On January 08 2014 09:30 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 08 2014 09:21 nafta wrote:On January 08 2014 09:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
if they actually touch ziggs and annie it would be another example of shitty knee jerk reaction nerf like with ahri zz Except ziggs is really broken atm.They should revert the buff on minefield damage to creeps that would be a good start to get him in a good place.At least imo it is not normal for a champion to be #1 damage dealer to champs every single game unless the person playing him is trash. he's nowhere near broken and he's hardly prioritized in ogn lol people just stand around and get poked to death instead of playing differently people expect to be able to play the same way and win and when a champion pops up that requires a different playstyle, instead of learning how to play, people decide to cry isntead Ziggs really isnt a champion that has a different style than regular mids like gragas/orianna.He just has better poke and more damage instead of safety.
he's different because unlike gragas and ori he has no built in disengage beyond a clunky w, whereas gragas and ori are much more capable at dealing with people who get in their faces. add to that the fact that ziggs is much squishier than both gragas and ori.
also he cant initiate, nor can really fight a real 1v1
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I still remember playing ranked when my mmr was the same range as cheeps. Like 3/4 of the ziggs I ever saw for like 2 months were cheep
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If Ziggs is broken there are at least two dozen other champions who are in the same category, if not moreso.
He's a strong mid laner, but he's hardly broken. At worst he needs like a minor CD or mana nerf; a small minefield nerf at most. Anything else? Massive overreaction. Passive scaling and nerfs to early Annie stun duration is a good (and light) tweak tbh,
On January 08 2014 09:30 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 08 2014 09:21 nafta wrote:On January 08 2014 09:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
if they actually touch ziggs and annie it would be another example of shitty knee jerk reaction nerf like with ahri zz Except ziggs is really broken atm.They should revert the buff on minefield damage to creeps that would be a good start to get him in a good place.At least imo it is not normal for a champion to be #1 damage dealer to champs every single game unless the person playing him is trash. he's nowhere near broken and he's hardly prioritized in ogn lol people just stand around and get poked to death instead of playing differently people expect to be able to play the same way and win and when a champion pops up that requires a different playstyle, instead of learning how to play, people decide to cry isntead Ziggs really isnt a champion that has a different style than regular mids like gragas/orianna.He just has better poke and more damage instead of safety.
Ziggs same playstyle as Gragas and Ori (???).
O_o
wat
That's like saying Ahri has a similar playstyle as Fizz. They both all-in people when they hit a skillshot and strong tactical mobility. Abit too much overgeneralization here, I think. The nuances are critical.
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On January 08 2014 09:21 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
if they actually touch ziggs and annie it would be another example of shitty knee jerk reaction nerf like with ahri zz Except ziggs is really broken atm.They should revert the buff on minefield damage to creeps that would be a good start to get him in a good place.At least imo it is not normal for a champion to be #1 damage dealer to champs every single game unless the person playing him is trash.
I don't think ziggs can out damage ap teemo.
Concering play style, I think currently Ziggs is more like a stronger version of Lux: no mobility, can farm at 1000 range, sit back and poke all day.
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he also cannot, despite the assertions of some people who dont know hwo to play this game, outdamage a competent adc
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On January 08 2014 09:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
he also cannot, despite the assertions of some people who dont know hwo to play this game, outdamage a competent adc
Those are fairly lacking if you're not in high Plat/Diamond.
And that's where I'm at so we'd probably have to climb higher up the tree.
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Didn't you guys know? All ADCs are diamond smurfs. We lesser folk are merely dragging their smurfs down, especially that jungler that never ganked.
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On January 08 2014 09:51 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Didn't you guys know? All ADCs are diamond smurfs. We lesser folk are merely dragging their smurfs down, especially that jungler that never ganked.
Doublelift smurfs: everyone on my team is trash
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On January 08 2014 09:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
he also cannot, despite the assertions of some people who dont know hwo to play this game, outdamage a competent adc Those are fairly lacking if you're not in high Plat/Diamond.
well by that argument no one knows how to play ziggs until you get to 75 pts d1 either so w\e
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Ziggs is just annoying. Hardly game breaking. Sure you have dodge all hit shit and q cool down is pretty short, but he's made of paper. I'd say he's quite balanced at the moment. If he needed a nerf it would have to be a tiny one.
Less annoying than orianna. That bitch can go die in a hole.
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On January 08 2014 09:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:On January 08 2014 09:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
he also cannot, despite the assertions of some people who dont know hwo to play this game, outdamage a competent adc Those are fairly lacking if you're not in high Plat/Diamond. well by that argument no one knows how to play ziggs until you get to 75 pts d1 either so w\e
If watching Trick2g subwars has taught me anything, they don't. :o
On January 08 2014 09:56 JazzVortical wrote:
Ziggs is just annoying. Hardly game breaking. Sure you have dodge all hit shit and q cool down is pretty short, but he's made of paper. I'd say he's quite balanced at the moment. If he needed a nerf it would have to be a tiny one.
Less annoying than orianna. That bitch can go die in a hole.
Wait till the AP Teemo FotM comes.
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I'm honestly terrified for the day when Bronze hears that Teemo is legit. It's gonna be a madhouse.
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On January 08 2014 09:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
he also cannot, despite the assertions of some people who dont know hwo to play this game, outdamage a competent adc
Easily.Every game I have picked him(ad main) or I have seen him he has the most damage to champs.Regardless of rank unless he just feeds cause bad.Most times A LOT more than everyone else.
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On January 08 2014 10:00 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
he also cannot, despite the assertions of some people who dont know hwo to play this game, outdamage a competent adc Easily.Every game I have picked him(ad main) or I have seen him he has the most damage to champs.Regardless of rank unless he just feeds cause bad.Most times A LOT more than everyone else.
so your ad is bad/your ziggs is good/enemy team doesnt know how to play
personal experience means jack shit ~_~
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Ziggs' minefield cd should be nerfed a bit though, if only because at high amounts of CDR (close to max) he can maintain a minefield with 100% uptime (save for the animation). Since a field won't ever be fully cleared, even by someone buffed by Black Shield, it's really strong zone control.
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On January 08 2014 10:03 Alaric wrote:
Ziggs' minefield cd should be nerfed a bit though, if only because at high amounts of CDR (close to max) he can maintain a minefield with 100% uptime (save for the animation). Since a field won't ever be fully cleared, even by someone buffed by Black Shield, it's really strong zone control.
anivia can maintain ult with 100% uptime too lets nerf her
cassiopeia can maintain w with 100% uptime with like 20% cdr too lets nerf her too
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