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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 08 2014 01:08 GMT
#3561
Lol, I have yet to see an ADC outdamage ziggs

what is your theorycraft Csheep because it sure as heck doesn't seem reflect how d1 euw games go
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 01:12:01
January 08 2014 01:10 GMT
#3562
On January 08 2014 10:08 Scip wrote:
Lol, I have yet to see an ADC outdamage ziggs

what is your theorycraft Csheep because it sure as heck doesn't seem reflect how d1 euw games go


we've long established eu doesnt know how to play this game scip pls

#murica

#cloudtsm

please stop bringing personal experience + Show Spoiler +
from a shit region
up as proof ty
TranslatorBaa!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 01:21:54
January 08 2014 01:21 GMT
#3563
Sheep weren't you were the one talking awhile ago how Ziggs was broken? I see hating Ziggs is just too mainstream.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
lega
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada290 Posts
January 08 2014 01:25 GMT
#3564
On January 08 2014 10:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 10:03 Alaric wrote:
Ziggs' minefield cd should be nerfed a bit though, if only because at high amounts of CDR (close to max) he can maintain a minefield with 100% uptime (save for the animation). Since a field won't ever be fully cleared, even by someone buffed by Black Shield, it's really strong zone control.


anivia can maintain ult with 100% uptime too lets nerf her

cassiopeia can maintain w with 100% uptime with like 20% cdr too lets nerf her too

Anivia cannot maintain her ult while being 1000 range away. Her ult can also be interrupted by any form of cc.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 08 2014 01:32 GMT
#3565
On January 08 2014 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 10:08 Scip wrote:
Lol, I have yet to see an ADC outdamage ziggs

what is your theorycraft Csheep because it sure as heck doesn't seem reflect how d1 euw games go


we've long established eu doesnt know how to play this game scip pls

#murica

#cloudtsm

please stop bringing personal experience + Show Spoiler +
from a shit region
up as proof ty

Nice deflection.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 08 2014 01:33 GMT
#3566
idk I don't think Ziggs is even slightly above the rest of the top tier mids atm, not sure why he needs to be nerfed.
Carrilord has arrived.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 01:37:04
January 08 2014 01:36 GMT
#3567
On January 08 2014 10:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 08 2014 10:08 Scip wrote:
Lol, I have yet to see an ADC outdamage ziggs

what is your theorycraft Csheep because it sure as heck doesn't seem reflect how d1 euw games go


we've long established eu doesnt know how to play this game scip pls

#murica

#cloudtsm

please stop bringing personal experience + Show Spoiler +
from a shit region
up as proof ty

Nice deflection.


its always a stupid point to bring up personal experience to justify something anyways so there wasnt much left to do beyond respond facetiously to inflate my post count

On January 08 2014 10:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sheep weren't you were the one talking awhile ago how Ziggs was broken? I see hating Ziggs is just too mainstream.


ziggs is a fantastic champion and fits great on a team with a lot of popular heroes atm but he's far from broken and he definitely shouldn't be nerfed
TranslatorBaa!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 01:40:52
January 08 2014 01:39 GMT
#3568
On January 08 2014 10:33 Slusher wrote:
idk I don't think Ziggs is even slightly above the rest of the top tier mids atm, not sure why he needs to be nerfed.

At most he needs tweaks.

The argument of "most damage to champs" does fall short given his role as a long range, AoE pokefest, and is generally a poor metric, especially since an ADC is, at its core, a single target role (varies depending on abilities and Jinx [still smallish AoE]), often prioritizing the tanks. If the argument is based on that, Karthus is clearly broken.

I'm going with Cheep here and saying that Ziggs is strong, but fairly comparable to many other top tier mid picks.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 08 2014 01:56 GMT
#3569
personal experience is still better than shitty claims that aren't supported with no theory no experience no NOTHING.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
January 08 2014 01:58 GMT
#3570
On January 08 2014 09:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I'm honestly terrified for the day when Bronze hears that Teemo is legit. It's gonna be a madhouse.

People could make money commenting random bronze teemo games. The madness, i can imagine xD

High Gold you can maybe convince 1 or 2 ppl to buy a sweeping lens. Then you still have to micro them to use their shit while moving as team.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#3571
so last night i actually had fun in a lane for once (jungle main, when i have to lane i just pick a champ i know and try to survive until teamfights)

i picked katarina into enemy leblanc and my team raged at me in champ select, and then i outplayed the living shit out of her, shunpoing out of her qw combo every time and just generally feeling like a king as i won the lane handily

mobile champs >>>
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
lega
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada290 Posts
January 08 2014 02:04 GMT
#3572
sweeping lens is not a counter to teemo, probably only good when clearing shrooms around baron pit. You cannot scan every inch of soil on Summoner's Rift.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 08 2014 02:04 GMT
#3573
On January 08 2014 10:56 Scip wrote:
personal experience is still better than shitty claims that aren't supported with no theory no experience no NOTHING.

No, he cited OGN. Obv if it isn't played in Korea, it's not OP.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
January 08 2014 02:09 GMT
#3574
On January 08 2014 11:04 lega wrote:
sweeping lens is not a counter to teemo, probably only good when clearing shrooms around baron pit. You cannot scan every inch of soil on Summoner's Rift.

How do you play against ap teemo if you dont have at least 2 upgraded lenses? Basicly that's saying you don't want to go to any objective.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 02:14:35
January 08 2014 02:11 GMT
#3575
He did not cite OGN. He said it's barely picked in OGN, which says next to nothing about the average damage dealt you can expect from ziggs.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 08 2014 02:11 GMT
#3576
I'm rather interested to why Korean players refuse to play Jinx/Ziggs. I think they're both incredibly strong but have seen little to no play. Monte apparently talked to Nalra/CT and their answer was that Korean teams really dislike Jinx's lack of escape but I honestly think her other strengths make up for it. The Korean casters didn't comment on Ziggs though.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 08 2014 02:24 GMT
#3577
ziggs not broken? u wot m8

he beats everything in lane and AFAIK has a 100% winrate in competitive on this patch.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
January 08 2014 02:29 GMT
#3578
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 02:33:48
January 08 2014 02:31 GMT
#3579
You have to remember, sometimes silly stigmas will result and make perfectly good champions disappear. Look at Ahri. After the Abyssal nerf she fell off largely because "you can miss skillshots." Her damage after the recent nerfs is around the same if you hit charm, yet people have dropped her en masse. What is charm? You guess it, a skillshot.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 08 2014 02:32 GMT
#3580
i just said that IF they want to nerf lanejerks, they should nerf zigs instead of renekton. -.-


u guys so silly
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