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[Patch 3.15] Yasuo General Discussion - Page 12

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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 13 2013 20:20 GMT
#221
On December 14 2013 05:12 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 04:15 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:13 Kinie wrote:
So based upon one bots game with Yasuo, here are my first impressions:

- High skill cap due to maximizing damage with his Q stacking to get his ult active.
- Timing for his E-Q aoe circle is pretty tight, basically have to mash Q while E'ing to get it off.
- Rough laning phase due to lack of items, low shield passive at low levels and taking a while to build up the passive again after shield is popped.
- BotRK should be first major item on him, gives you AD, AS and LS to help get through laning phase.
- Can solo Baron with the right items (I solo'ed him with BotRK/Hydra/PD/IE, but can probably be done without the Hydra).
- Hits nice power spikes with every completed item, though I feel IE is a luxury item as he needs more cost-effective items to survive until mid game.

I went 21/9/0 masteries, mostly the AD side plus the spell weaving and attack weaving masteries with Frenzy, gave up a couple points in the ArPen/MagPen mastery for those. I want to experiment a bit more with the masteries, see if a 21/0/9 is possible with Fleet of Foot and just have him be an all-in AD champ.


No Static Shiv? It seems basically made for him as a second item (if BotRK first is the answer).


I was thinking ghost blade would be good on him, but maybe I just really want that item to be good on somebody.


The CDR doesn't help his Q (main damage nuke), and he needs constant AS to get the CD down instead of the Active burst.
Freeeeeeedom
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 20:23:54
December 13 2013 20:22 GMT
#222
derp
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 13 2013 20:22 GMT
#223
On December 14 2013 05:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
Bans

MYM: Kass, Renek, Lee Sin
CW: Olaf, Shy, Katarina


neo pls theres a lr thread
TranslatorBaa!
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
December 13 2013 20:23 GMT
#224
On December 14 2013 05:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 05:17 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
How hard do you guys think that the Rammus nerfs will affect him?

Still good in solo queue, still bad in 5s.

Afaik he was terror in challenger tier soloQ, do you still think he will stay one of the top junglers in SoloQ in diamond/challenger?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 13 2013 20:26 GMT
#225
On December 14 2013 05:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 05:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2013 05:17 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
How hard do you guys think that the Rammus nerfs will affect him?

Still good in solo queue, still bad in 5s.

Afaik he was terror in challenger tier soloQ, do you still think he will stay one of the top junglers in SoloQ in diamond/challenger?

Is he common on EU? I feel like there will be junglers in solo Q who enjoy and are very proficient with Rammus. The taunt nerf is largely negligible imo.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 13 2013 20:31 GMT
#226
I really dislike the new summoner spell icons.
It's your boy Guzma!
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 13 2013 20:33 GMT
#227
About time for Fiddle to get nerfed
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 13 2013 20:45 GMT
#228
On December 14 2013 05:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
About time for Fiddle to get nerfed

It's gonna be weird for fear to only last a decade instead of an eternity.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
December 13 2013 20:54 GMT
#229
On December 14 2013 04:15 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 04:13 Kinie wrote:
So based upon one bots game with Yasuo, here are my first impressions:

- High skill cap due to maximizing damage with his Q stacking to get his ult active.
- Timing for his E-Q aoe circle is pretty tight, basically have to mash Q while E'ing to get it off.
- Rough laning phase due to lack of items, low shield passive at low levels and taking a while to build up the passive again after shield is popped.
- BotRK should be first major item on him, gives you AD, AS and LS to help get through laning phase.
- Can solo Baron with the right items (I solo'ed him with BotRK/Hydra/PD/IE, but can probably be done without the Hydra).
- Hits nice power spikes with every completed item, though I feel IE is a luxury item as he needs more cost-effective items to survive until mid game.

I went 21/9/0 masteries, mostly the AD side plus the spell weaving and attack weaving masteries with Frenzy, gave up a couple points in the ArPen/MagPen mastery for those. I want to experiment a bit more with the masteries, see if a 21/0/9 is possible with Fleet of Foot and just have him be an all-in AD champ.


No Static Shiv? It seems basically made for him as a second item (if BotRK first is the answer).


Shiv was ok (built it first, then sold it for PD), but I think you want to try and get that 100% crit chance because of how your Q is a basic attack, so it can crit.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 20:59:07
December 13 2013 20:57 GMT
#230
On December 14 2013 05:20 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 05:12 YouGotNothin wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:15 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:13 Kinie wrote:
So based upon one bots game with Yasuo, here are my first impressions:

- High skill cap due to maximizing damage with his Q stacking to get his ult active.
- Timing for his E-Q aoe circle is pretty tight, basically have to mash Q while E'ing to get it off.
- Rough laning phase due to lack of items, low shield passive at low levels and taking a while to build up the passive again after shield is popped.
- BotRK should be first major item on him, gives you AD, AS and LS to help get through laning phase.
- Can solo Baron with the right items (I solo'ed him with BotRK/Hydra/PD/IE, but can probably be done without the Hydra).
- Hits nice power spikes with every completed item, though I feel IE is a luxury item as he needs more cost-effective items to survive until mid game.

I went 21/9/0 masteries, mostly the AD side plus the spell weaving and attack weaving masteries with Frenzy, gave up a couple points in the ArPen/MagPen mastery for those. I want to experiment a bit more with the masteries, see if a 21/0/9 is possible with Fleet of Foot and just have him be an all-in AD champ.


No Static Shiv? It seems basically made for him as a second item (if BotRK first is the answer).


I was thinking ghost blade would be good on him, but maybe I just really want that item to be good on somebody.


The CDR doesn't help his Q (main damage nuke), and he needs constant AS to get the CD down instead of the Active burst.


Last I checked you need 46% bonus AS to hit the minimum cooldown when you reach 18, so it's not something you need to go out of your way to achieve. Since E doesn't work with CDR either I guess it won't be a priority unless 10.8 second wind walls are crazy op.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 13 2013 21:34 GMT
#231
Ah, nice surprise to see this patch online so soon. Also nice to have my electricity back, like 5-10% of the country lost it during last night's storm.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 21:36:51
December 13 2013 21:36 GMT
#232
"Long story short, champions with attack speed buffs will now feel the effects quicker."

Temporary attack speed buffs now update champion's attack speed immediately, rather than after the first attack


If I'm not dreaming, this is an absolutely gigantic, potentially gamebreaking buff for Elise.



damn it, was supposed to edit -.-
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 13 2013 21:39 GMT
#233
I'm honestly really surprised Elise hasn't been more seriously nerfed yet. Her stats for pro games, especially in OGN are absurd.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 13 2013 21:42 GMT
#234
Crazy to think how many nerfs she's had and remained relevant.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
lega
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada290 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 21:47:08
December 13 2013 21:46 GMT
#235
How about Tri Force into hydra on Yasuo? His kit is extremely spammable and triforce also provides tons of movement speed plus good all round stats (30% attack speed and 10 % crit chances). You just need hydra to provide sustain and clear power.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
December 13 2013 21:48 GMT
#236
mym vs wolves game going nuts, 5 kills at 5 minutes
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 13 2013 21:50 GMT
#237
All right, so in the past Elise's W worked like this:

You could either activate it around a second before you attack for the first time, and you attack rapidly throughout, or you could attack sooner after activation and take forever to attack again after the first attack. A good timing was that if you WQ from max range, you would be able to begin attacking rapidly immediately after your Q.

You could use it to reset her auto attack timer, which let her attack twice almost instantly but again forced her to wait forever before the third attack. This is different from Fiora's E which immediately increased Fiora's attack speed, which combined with the reset was a large portion of her early laning.

With this buff, she can reset her auto attack timer and in addition begin attacking extremely quickly immediately. I'd estimate her getting 2-4 extra attacks off with this buff, increasing her burst by disgusting amounts.

This is tested and confirmed by me.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 21:55:13
December 13 2013 21:54 GMT
#238
In V1.0.0.153 skittering frenzy "Now immediately starts Elise attacking at her faster attack speed, rather than waiting until her next attack starts". I remember feeling less delay after that change so I actually didn't think the new patch would change it at all, weird.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 22:20:11
December 13 2013 22:06 GMT
#239
On December 14 2013 06:54 phyvo wrote:
In V1.0.0.153 skittering frenzy "Now immediately starts Elise attacking at her faster attack speed, rather than waiting until her next attack starts". I remember feeling less delay after that change so I actually didn't think the new patch would change it at all, weird.

I tested it for forever and couldn't make it attack without delay when auto attack reseting or without waiting for a while before attacking for the first time.

(now it indeed attacks right away)


First game Yasuo vs bots, feels more stupid OP than I ever could have imagined. Guess they did the stupid thing and designed a mechanically demanding character with bad players in mind.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 13 2013 22:21 GMT
#240
Well that's is pretty dumb
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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