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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
There should be a way to properly itemize for 40% CDR in my opinion. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 10 2013 07:17 Alaric wrote: Cost-efficiency. Bunch of supports like Janna or Fiddle could use them well before things like "gold flow" went down the shitter. Yea but now you buy Morellonomicon and Deathcap :D Back then you couldn't get 5% CDR anyways it was 4,6, or 10% from masteries and 6 or ~11(?)% from runes if you ran full CDR blues. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 10 2013 07:09 Shikyo wrote: Why would I waste my boots slot for CDR? ;/ There should be a way to properly itemize for 40% CDR in my opinion. The CDR boots are awesome you heretic. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Played my first game as Gangplank in like 2 years to counter Nasus, went amazingly. Just built full dmg with trinity force and statikk shiv. Run in and harrass with Parrrley nonstop, if they try to turn with CC just W and run away. Didn't ever feel the need to build survivability. Might have been because of the enemy team, hm... Still, very fun gameplay! | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 10 2013 06:18 Shikyo wrote: In other, extremely surprising news EUW in the shitter again. Saved me ~15 LP because of loss forgiven, apparently. Ranked queues down again. I wonder how much RP we will get for this. I hope it's a lot. I really want Lucian and I don't want to pay any CAD or USD. On December 10 2013 06:35 xes wrote: Its pretty hard to be at 35% CDR though, unless you take util CDR or runes. Riot removed all the 5% and 15% CDR items didn't they? Its 10 or 20 now iirc People probably thought adding 15s and 5s was too difficult or something. I've been getting CDR boots on Kayle recently with a weird on hit build. Really need that CDR from somewhere :/ | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On December 10 2013 07:09 Shikyo wrote: Why would I waste my boots slot for CDR? ;/ There should be a way to properly itemize for 40% CDR in my opinion. Boots, runes, or deep utility, pick one. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It's not like they're very good mastery points, there's better things to be putting your points in even at tier 1. I wouldn't be surprised if, when the rune changes come in, you'll see a lot of 2 points in CDR in offense + CDR blues for 10%. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35152 Posts
On December 10 2013 08:33 Ketara wrote: Or, OR, just don't put 4 points in CDR. It's not like they're very good mastery points, there's better things to be putting your points in even at tier 1. I wouldn't be surprised if, when the rune changes come in, you'll see a lot of 2 points in CDR in offense + CDR blues for 10%. I wouldn't be surprised is people that don't get lucidity boots just drop the 5% from masteries and go into scaling CDR blues for 9.99%(repeating?) at 18. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Honestly, tier 1 offense is pretty stupid. There are legitimately champions that don't really want anything in it. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 10 2013 08:48 Ketara wrote: Well, some champions have to put at least 2 points in CDR even when they don't want it. Honestly, tier 1 offense is pretty stupid. There are legitimately champions that don't really want anything in it. But the 5th point in offense is so good. I guess you could forgo that and just go 30 defense but might as well get the 5% CDR in offense since it's better than 5% AS on most champions. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 10 2013 06:54 xes wrote: Ah yes, I meant that the 5% in the offense tree is not as useless as people think because it can get you from 30->35 or 20->25. However the offense tree doesn't get you from 35->40 since you can't be at 35 without offense tree except through utility tree or runes, as they nerfed or buffed all the 5% and 15% items. So run 5% CDR blues? It doesn't even use your whole stack of blues, only 6, to get precisely 5%. (Or run all 9 and 2 points of CDR mastery?) | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Obviously the problem is that CDR wants to be a multiple of 10 always, but then there are too few CDR 'levels' available (0, 10, 20, 30, 40). A mastery that gives you one whole level -- 10% -- would be too strong. So instead there are two separate masteries that give you half a level (5%) each, but that makes getting a satisfying perfect 40% CDR level hard because most items have been readjusted to match the idea that CDR is a multiple of 10. The old system had CDR be multiples of 5 (discounting runes/masteries which didn't line up at all), but then there are 9 levels possible (0, 5, 10, 15, 20, ... 40) -- too granular, since how often do people really notice the difference between 0 and 5% CDR. It also made it more mathy to figure out how to pack your items to give a perfect 40%, since you had items that gave anywhere from 1 to 5 levels of CDR at a time and you were trying to find a set that added up to 8 exactly. Contrast this with the current system, where items give you 1 or 2 levels of CDR and you want them to add up to 4 -- it would be great if it weren't for the masteries giving you half-levels. Solution: Make 8% a single CDR level. Then there are 6 levels of CDR -- 0, 8, 16, 24, 32, 40. All CDR items can give either 8% or 16% CDR -- basically either 1 or 2 levels and you are trying to total 5 levels, pretty easy to do. There can be a single mastery, in deep utility, that gives 8% CDR so no more half-level masteries ruining peoples' day. CDR is completely removed from offense. The only thing that might go wrong is that people might suck at adding together numbers that don't end in 5 or 0, but it's probably not a big deal. </non-serious post> EDIT: mastery point -> mastery, probably still want people spending 3-4 points to get 8% CDR | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Like, I doubt its even better on cait or ashe. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 10 2013 09:05 cLutZ wrote: The problem is that 5% AS is just garbage. Like, I doubt its even better on cait or ashe. I need the 5% as on cait. Otherwise last hitting is painful. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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