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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 02 2013 20:21 GMT
#1141
On November 03 2013 05:04 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 02:13 overt wrote:
Dblade + 1 pot or longsword + 4 pot as ADC? Ugh i really didn't mind every ADC starting dblade but I guess Riot felt it was too good.

Derp math longsword + 3 pot

With lifesteal quints I think dblade and 1 pot likely better unless maybe you wanna rush vamp

Considering the hits to equal the pot regen will be 74 instead of 44, I'm(blindly) heavily leaning towards LS3.


The problem is the point of items is to generate choice, so when every adc always starts dblade in all situations, that's not choice.

I kind of agree that dblade is being nerfed a little too hard, though. It will be even better for lvl1 all ins than it currently is, but if you're not going to try to get a kill at level 1-2 longsword will pretty blatantly be better.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
November 02 2013 20:23 GMT
#1142
On November 03 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:
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On November 03 2013 05:00 SagaZ wrote:
People think maokai sucks because he is not lee sin.
He has actual cooldowns, mana costs and can't 1v2. He also can't jump around.
He is a good jungler if you compare him to the rest of the cast. If you compare him to leesin, he sucks yes, but so does every other champion in the game.

Problem with maokai is his strengths aren't strong enough to compensate for his weakness.

No, his only problem is he is not lee sin.
Other than that he is an amazing character, amazing peel and his ulti is completely unique in this game.
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
November 02 2013 20:25 GMT
#1143
They fulfill the role of tanky initiator and do damage, the latter of which Maokai cannot do compared to them.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 02 2013 20:28 GMT
#1144
On November 03 2013 05:25 Cloud9157 wrote:
They fulfill the role of tanky initiator and do damage, the latter of which Maokai cannot do compared to them.

Mao's base damage is nuts, but it requires him to be ahead. However, this is usually not too difficult considering how strong his early ganking prowess is.
It's your boy Guzma!
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
November 02 2013 20:30 GMT
#1145
Have you met j4's base damage and overall kit? The amount of damage he gets from it is silly, all while getting free tank stats. Oh, and Zac gets to do %hp damage on a 3 second cd, and also has a 1550 range jump when full charged. Jarvan isn't far behind him in engage range either.

Also, Maokai clear speed is shit compared to season 2. You need to sit at wraiths for an extra 10 seconds slapping the big wraith around.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:31:53
November 02 2013 20:31 GMT
#1146
I think the problem with maokai is that he's very all or nothing in season 3, either maokai pubstomps everyone for a 20 minute win or the game is effectively 4v5 at least that's what I found to be the issue.
He can't clear fast enough to catch up through farming unlike say vi, elise and J4.
Glorious SEA doto
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
November 02 2013 20:32 GMT
#1147
exept maokai is more tanky and protects his backline better. His damage is OK, he won't be able to kill adc after they get their lw and lifesteal he can still chunk them decently well, but his role is more to fuck with mages anyway
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9244 Posts
November 02 2013 20:33 GMT
#1148
Anyone else slightly bothered by the fact that the links to LoL Tourneys and LoL Strategy are no longer at the top of this board and vice versa?

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[image loading]


I know they're linked in the sidebar and index but I just found it easier/faster to switch from there.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
November 02 2013 20:38 GMT
#1149
On November 02 2013 14:51 remedium wrote:
I got Armor of the Fifth Age Taric.

Don't even.


Pink Taric is civilization. Easily the best Taric skin and one of the most fun in the game. Its a God-tier skin.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:45:17
November 02 2013 20:38 GMT
#1150
On November 03 2013 05:00 SagaZ wrote:
People think maokai sucks because he is not lee sin.
He has actual cooldowns, mana costs and can't 1v2. He also can't jump around.
He is a good jungler if you compare him to the rest of the cast. If you compare him to leesin, he sucks yes, but so does every other champion in the game.

Because they made Lee Sin and Ahri have everything you could want in a midlaner/jungler they had to nerf their numbers to shit.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 02 2013 20:42 GMT
#1151
if you are trying to make arguments for Maokai not being picked (should not be hard) damage isn't one of them I don't know why you guys are still harping on it.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 02 2013 20:42 GMT
#1152
On November 03 2013 05:28 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 05:25 Cloud9157 wrote:
They fulfill the role of tanky initiator and do damage, the latter of which Maokai cannot do compared to them.

Mao's base damage is nuts, but it requires him to be ahead. However, this is usually not too difficult considering how strong his early ganking prowess is.


Maokai cant farm very well, which means he is typically underleveled, which means even if he has 1 or 2 more successful ganks he still may be behind. Also, he kinda needs moba boots, which sucks.
Freeeeeeedom
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 02 2013 20:43 GMT
#1153
Mid/ top Mao is pretty good if you run a jungler that doesn't need blue.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
November 02 2013 20:48 GMT
#1154
he is like skarner, everyone say that they suck but you never know when one proteam is going to pick him in LCS and then the OP chants come back.
What do those 2 have in common? extremely unique kits and especially ultimates, if instead of running always the same bland team you make an effort to try to come up with something creative that take advantage of those abilitys, then they become OP
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:52:05
November 02 2013 20:49 GMT
#1155
On November 03 2013 05:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Mid/ top Mao is pretty good if you run a jungler that doesn't need blue.

I don't know if there are any standard junglers that need blue though. Amumu and Sej usually give their second blue? And every jungler takes their first blue even if they have no energy or mana.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
November 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#1156
On November 02 2013 15:55 chalice wrote:
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On November 02 2013 15:44 ketchup wrote:
I'm recently having a weird issue since the last patch. I seem to connect late to champ select in chat. Is it only me that's having this issue or is it everyone? I'm so confused by this. The biggest issue it causes is I do not know what roles people prefer, and generally have to end up playing support(which I don't seem to be good enough to carry with at the moment)

i get this every game too, but i still base my role on what is available after the people above me have picked so i don't play support any more frequently than before.


Okay good. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't going crazy with this. I asked if anyone else has that issue in chat, but no one responds during the champ select in regards to the question.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 02 2013 20:55 GMT
#1157
On November 03 2013 05:33 Dan HH wrote:
Anyone else slightly bothered by the fact that the links to LoL Tourneys and LoL Strategy are no longer at the top of this board and vice versa?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I know they're linked in the sidebar and index but I just found it easier/faster to switch from there.

Have you tried going into your site settings and doing something like "Revert back to per-game blocks" or something? I haven't actually tried it but it sounds like it does what you want
DaBears57
Profile Joined December 2009
United States300 Posts
November 02 2013 20:59 GMT
#1158
Is LoL acting up for anyone else? I'm trying to play draft normals and I've been in queue for 5+ mins now.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 02 2013 21:04 GMT
#1159
Sometimes the client just lies to you and says you're in queue when you aren't.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
November 02 2013 21:07 GMT
#1160
On November 03 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 05:28 Requizen wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:25 Cloud9157 wrote:
They fulfill the role of tanky initiator and do damage, the latter of which Maokai cannot do compared to them.

Mao's base damage is nuts, but it requires him to be ahead. However, this is usually not too difficult considering how strong his early ganking prowess is.


Maokai cant farm very well, which means he is typically underleveled, which means even if he has 1 or 2 more successful ganks he still may be behind. Also, he kinda needs moba boots, which sucks.


I don't know what your MMR is, but if you are falling behind you are doing something very wrong.
Stay positive!
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