[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 57

On November 03 2013 03:07 Shikyo wrote:

How do you hit E stun? You have all the time in the world to dodge it and the AoE is like half that of Lay Waste

On November 03 2013 03:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As Nidalee or Ahri?

Assuming Nialee so I'd say Chalice.

On November 03 2013 03:42 Alaric wrote:
Maokai is a terrible duelist with no escapes (aside from low cd Q knock-back/slow but it's short-ranged), his clear absolutely sucks without burning a bunch of mana. His pool is actually fairly high, but his mp5 is horrendous and his costs high (W starts at 75 mana, and his ult drains his mana extremely fast).

His cooldowns aren't reduced with levels so he kinda needs some CDR, and mana regen/pool. He's easily invaded and killed, even if you make him fight you then both fall back with high HP, if he had to use spells he's probably not going to be able to gank more than once unless he has blue buff.
Maokai doesn't really bring the damage anymore (he used to bring the cc and a modicum of damage, but he's outclassed by fighters), and thanks to the new jungle items, being able to jungle off of doran items (Lee, Aatrox, etc.) or using sightstone, he's comparatively weaker than before (eg.in season 2 when people would go double gp5 they wouldn't use the stats much better than him, but now try and go for golem spirit while some fighter with double dblades jumps you).

He sucks in 2v2 and fast clearers should be able to countergank him. Higher sustain in lane means there's more often a need to 100-0 people so the way Maokai worked (burn flashes, camp to make miss farm and either kill when too committed or gank multiple times to wear them down) isn't as effective or even possible anymore.
A bunch of popular laners (Renekton, Ahri, Zed, Syndra, etc.) are very safe too.

Underfarmed Maokai just plain dies because he needs item to survive his initiation on a single person. His ult doesn't work well with the heavy dive style currently because if he initiates/dives he won't be able to get his carries in his ult's radius to protect them from assassins, and if he has to play defensively and peel then you rely on somebody else to initiate/poke.

His damage falls off terribly. Compared to Sejuani (even pre-rework), Amumu, or the bullcrap that are Elise's and Zac's kits, Maokai is a cc bot with high mana usage, an anti-burst ult less effective than Lulu's on squishies, and long cooldowns, past the midgame.

If you can make him work he's still able to pull off good ganks, and if the enemy team relies on massive AoE damage (say Karthus+Vlad or Kennen) you can still get a good mileage out of it, but he isn't very effective versus the popular picks or playstyle.

On November 03 2013 03:42 Alaric wrote:
Maokai is a terrible duelist with no escapes (aside from low cd Q knock-back/slow but it's short-ranged), his clear absolutely sucks without burning a bunch of mana. His pool is actually fairly high, but his mp5 is horrendous and his costs high (W starts at 75 mana, and his ult drains his mana extremely fast).

His cooldowns aren't reduced with levels so he kinda needs some CDR, and mana regen/pool. He's easily invaded and killed, even if you make him fight you then both fall back with high HP, if he had to use spells he's probably not going to be able to gank more than once unless he has blue buff.
Maokai doesn't really bring the damage anymore (he used to bring the cc and a modicum of damage, but he's outclassed by fighters), and thanks to the new jungle items, being able to jungle off of doran items (Lee, Aatrox, etc.) or using sightstone, he's comparatively weaker than before (eg.in season 2 when people would go double gp5 they wouldn't use the stats much better than him, but now try and go for golem spirit while some fighter with double dblades jumps you).

He sucks in 2v2 and fast clearers should be able to countergank him. Higher sustain in lane means there's more often a need to 100-0 people so the way Maokai worked (burn flashes, camp to make miss farm and either kill when too committed or gank multiple times to wear them down) isn't as effective or even possible anymore.
A bunch of popular laners (Renekton, Ahri, Zed, Syndra, etc.) are very safe too.

Underfarmed Maokai just plain dies because he needs item to survive his initiation on a single person. His ult doesn't work well with the heavy dive style currently because if he initiates/dives he won't be able to get his carries in his ult's radius to protect them from assassins, and if he has to play defensively and peel then you rely on somebody else to initiate/poke.

His damage falls off terribly. Compared to Sejuani (even pre-rework), Amumu, or the bullcrap that are Elise's and Zac's kits, Maokai is a cc bot with high mana usage, an anti-burst ult less effective than Lulu's on squishies, and long cooldowns, past the midgame.

If you can make him work he's still able to pull off good ganks, and if the enemy team relies on massive AoE damage (say Karthus+Vlad or Kennen) you can still get a good mileage out of it, but he isn't very effective versus the popular picks or playstyle.

On November 03 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
Hey this seems to have totally gone over my head, I'm a bit confused as to what the format is for the LCS qualifier.

I just saw this:

http://lol.gamepedia.com/North_American_Season_4_Promotion_Tournament_Qualifier_1

Does it mean Quantic is definitely not qualifying for the spring split? Or is there another qualifier round or something?

On November 03 2013 04:00 FinestHour wrote:
are they ever going to make custom announcers like every other moba dota arts arena5v5wizardpvp game has

On November 03 2013 05:00 SagaZ wrote:
People think maokai sucks because he is not lee sin.
He has actual cooldowns, mana costs and can't 1v2. He also can't jump around.
He is a good jungler if you compare him to the rest of the cast. If you compare him to leesin, he sucks yes, but so does every other champion in the game.